have you regeared?

[Wbino]

Here is another dirt road pic for you. Logandale area outside of sin city.

Just think they did these hills three hundred years ago with horses and a covered wagon.

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[Tonopah]

My Wrangler is a 2025 6cyl manual transmission Rubicon 2 door with 4.88 (ordered from the factory that way). 33 inch KO2's (OEM) set at 32 psi. It drives great with 5th and 6th gears totally useable. 1st gear is pretty short, as you would expect, but the power delivery, transmission and suspension are all just right. I won't be changing any of that. I used a JSCAN to change some parameters though and disabled the stop/start. I live down a 9 mile long dirt road in the middle of nowhere Arizona and the jeep is a joy to drive on a daily basis.

 

[-lenny-]

Poll is flawed.

Mine came with 3:73, changed to 4:56 and it’s fantastic. And according to Fuelly, only brought my mpg down about 5mpg to 19-20 per tank.

 

[grimmjeeper]

Just think they did these hills three hundred years ago with horses and a covered wagon.

Erosion has had a minor impact on these trails in the interim...

 

[Ratbert]

Erosion has had a minor impact on these trails in the interim...

I'm thinking they would have had to dismantle their wagons to make it up "trails" like that.

 

[AlgUSF]

How would a dealer even know it had been regeared?

If you do it "right" the gearing will be reconfigured in the ECU. I changed mine from 3.45 to 4.56 using J-Scan. I believe if the Engine and Wheel speed are not matched the computer will have a fit. I had an issue with it and had to do the M/V relearn.

https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/fo...everse-cam-doesnt-come-on.130144/post-2718788

 

[grimmjeeper]

I'm thinking they would have had to dismantle their wagons to make it up "trails" like that.

In some cases, they did. But only when they had no other choice.

 

[Zandcwhite]

In some cases, they did. But only when they had no other choice.

The horses certainly weren't pulling loaded wagons up slickrock like that (that's where the name comes from, horse shoes have 0 traction there). People don't realize just how hard core everyone was back then. Hill too steep and/or slick? Unhook horses, carry gear up the hill, tie ropes to empty wagon and pull with all your might, your kids, the horses, and eventually you've made a few hundred feet of progress in half a days labor. The Donner party didn't end up trapped up there all winter because you could just cross the sierras in a couple hours sipping a latte. Even running under built rigs through tough trails is a huge amount of work. The 1st time we took the Wife's WJ through the Rubicon it was on 31" JK Rubicon take offs and a 3" basic lift. Scrapping, dragging, banging, stacking rocks, winching, jacking, etc we got it through but it was exhausting, stressful, and not at all comfortable. We've taken about a dozen different vehicles through the trail and under built is just too much work. Conversely the wife's JLUR on 38s last trip was a joy. Not only was there no manual labor involved, but the lack of banging and metal on rock scrapping was quite relaxing. 0 winching, used the lockers twice, and never even had to get out and spot. Just because you can get something through doesn't mean you want to. And if you want it to be in 1 piece on the other side and still have straight sheetmetal and good paint it's even more challenging. I'll err on the side of over built these days.

 

[grimmjeeper]

The horses certainly weren't pulling loaded wagons up slickrock like that (that's where the name comes from, horse shoes have 0 traction there). People don't realize just how hard core everyone was back then. Hill too steep and/or slick? Unhook horses, carry gear up the hill, tie ropes to empty wagon and pull with all your might, your kids, the horses, and eventually you've made a few hundred feet of progress in half a days labor. The Donner party didn't end up trapped up there all winter because you could just cross the sierras in a couple hours sipping a latte. Even running under built rigs through tough trails is a huge amount of work. The 1st time we took the Wife's WJ through the Rubicon it was on 31" JK Rubicon take offs and a 3" basic lift. Scrapping, dragging, banging, stacking rocks, winching, jacking, etc we got it through but it was exhausting, stressful, and not at all comfortable. We've taken about a dozen different vehicles through the trail and under built is just too much work. Conversely the wife's JLUR on 38s last trip was a joy. Not only was there no manual labor involved, but the lack of banging and metal on rock scrapping was quite relaxing. 0 winching, used the lockers twice, and never even had to get out and spot. Just because you can get something through doesn't mean you want to. And if you want it to be in 1 piece on the other side and still have straight sheetmetal and good paint it's even more challenging. I'll err on the side of over built these days.

To be fair, the Donner Party made a bunch of really bad decisions, including trying to traverse the mountains too late in the season. Everyone at that time knew you don't set out that late to get over the Sierras. I believe also their choice of routes was questionable. And the early snow that year didn't help.

But yeah, rugged mountain trails are no joke for horse drawn wagons. A whole buch of flatlanders died during that time period because they didn't know (or want to believe) what they were getting themselves into.

 

[Wbino]

Erosion has had a minor impact on these trails in the interim...

Erosion and hundreds of other vehicles.
I would enjoy open plains and speed more if I had my choice….and owned a crapload of land.

 

[Zandcwhite]

Erosion and hundreds of other vehicles.
I would enjoy open plains and speed more if I had my choice….and owned a crapload of land.

I don't think you realize just how few people you'll encounter on public lands especially in the west. You can drive and camp and wheel for multiple days in many areas and see a few other vehicles over the entire trip. Sure owning the land is great, but using our public lands is free and they are expansive. We now own 41 acres in northern AZ but have been camping and wheeling all over the west for decades. Only people who never leave urban areas believe that we are short on open space or that there's traffic on every trail. Sure the most popular areas can get crowded. The Rubicon during Jeep Jamboree does start to feel like sitting in traffic at times. Go mid week especially in late spring when there's still snow in places and the lakes are freezing and you'll likely never have to wait for anyone. Go to Moab during Easter Jeep safari and everything's crowded. Go in August (keep the top on and the AC running) when it's 105⁰ outside and even on poison spyder, one of the most popular trails, we saw 8 other vehicles running the entire trifecta.

 

[jadmt]

I don't think you realize just how few people you'll encounter on public lands especially in the west. You can drive and camp and wheel for multiple days in many areas and see a few other vehicles over the entire trip. Sure owning the land is great, but using our public lands is free and they are expansive. We now own 41 acres in northern AZ but have been camping and wheeling all over the west for decades. Only people who never leave urban areas believe that we are short on open space or that there's traffic on every trail. Sure the most popular areas can get crowded. The Rubicon during Jeep Jamboree does start to feel like sitting in traffic at times. Go mid week especially in late spring when there's still snow in places and the lakes are freezing and you'll likely never have to wait for anyone. Go to Moab during Easter Jeep safari and everything's crowded. Go in August (keep the top on and the AC running) when it's 105⁰ outside and even on poison spyder, one of the most popular trails, we saw 8 other vehicles running the entire trifecta.

we have been to moab every month except August and we never go during EJS and we also never see anyone.....literally other than on hell's revenge and a few on Fins and Things we pretty much never see anyone else...

 

[grimmjeeper]

we have been to moab every month except August and we never go during EJS and we also never see anyone.....literally other than on hell's revenge and a few on Fins and Things we pretty much never see anyone else...

I've done Moab in August. I only have to stick my finger in that light socket once to learn my lesson...

 

[jadmt]

I've done Moab in August. I only have to stick my finger in that light socket once to learn my lesson...

I am sure it can be brutal in August. June and July have been nice....actually this year June was cooler than it was at home (Missoula). Looking at the weather now in Moab it is about perfect...

 

[Ratbert]

If you do it "right" the gearing will be reconfigured in the ECU. I changed mine from 3.45 to 4.56 using J-Scan. I believe if the Engine and Wheel speed are not matched the computer will have a fit. I had an issue with it and had to do the M/V relearn.

https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/fo...everse-cam-doesnt-come-on.130144/post-2718788

There was a crapload of speculation about that on one of the various threads that have been shut down. I'm guessing yours was a manual?

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