Got the Call...Replace the HPFP

[Deleted User 38384]

So...if one refused the recall and the pump shits the bed cratering the entire fuel system, who's on the hook for the repair bill...the owner who refused the service or MOPAR who offered the service that was refused.

I'm guessing the Stellantis lawyers would have a fast answer, and I'm also guessing it would not go well in my favor. Always be cautious of internet influencers...who distribute Bud Light

Fun part of that is actually that if you haven't had the recall done, and your HPFP shits a brick, Stellantis foots the bill. However once you have the HPFP recall completed (let me remind you, that they replaced the Bosch CP4.2 with a Bosch CP4.2 WITH A COATING ON IT) if that new CP4.2 fails, the fix is on you.

You have the lifetime of the vehicle to have it replaced. However the second you bring the vehicle to dealership, they are going to be required to complete the recall before they can release your vehicle to you. Why do you think they're so adamant to have everyone have the recall completed? Because they would rather spend $2,400 replacing an HPFP and a couple tubes, then $30,000 on a new engine.

Me personally I'm going to wait until 70,000 miles and then I'm going to replace my CP4.2 with a CPX. There's a thread around here somewhere about just that, it might even be one of the ones I created. The CPX is an actual fix for the CP4.2. The failure point is that roller pin in the HPFP.

A coating will just delay the inevitable, however replacing that roller pin with one that can't roll is an actual fix. A fix that Bosch should have done, but didn't because that would cost them too much money, and because Mopar just wanted a quick fix to get the feds to leave them alone, you guys get to be the guinea pigs. Congratulations!

When the man tells you to "Jump!", you shouldn't ask them "How high?", you should ask them "What's in it for me?" "What happens if I don't?" "What did you do that actually fixed this problem?" "Does it benefit me more to do it your way, or is there a better way to do fix this problem?"

Maybe I'm just too much of an untrusting skeptic, but those questions that we asked early on when this recall was released, were met with some very telling answers.

If I were you I wouldn't trust your CP4.2 (with a coating) to be any better than the CP4.2 (without). I would also question what other software changes they uploaded onto your EcoDiesel which they're not disclosing. Don't forget this is the company who has already vowed to have a full EV lineup with no fossil fuel vehicles by 2035. That's not very far away, and it's only a matter of time before they start bricking vehicles to get you into a new EV Jeep. And who do you think is at the top of that line, THE EVIL DIESEL!!!


Paranoid? Maybe
Crazy? Most definitely!
But at the end of the day, a lot of y'all are going to be so shocked when the truth comes out, but not me because my EcoDiesel is still going to be running strong!

You know why? Because I didn't jump like a good monkey!


Sorry if this came out as hostile @Plongson no aggression towards you, just the direction that jeep is going and the mistrust of the industry in general, along with the people pulling the strings at the top!

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[RandyP111]

Uggggh...2020 JLURD. Well, I'm on the dealers list to replace the HPFP and got the call to schedule the replacement. They also want to do the DEF flash.
This this thing runs SO GOOD (for over 60k miles), I reluctantly scheduled the recall repair. I sure hope it comes back as good as it left.

What is the consensus here with those who have had the new pump and DEF flash done. Actually, I'm really hating the thought of this being done...I'd had hoped they would not get to me.

Again I must ask what new pump are you talking about? I have never seen it, no description of any changes to the HPFP. and no evidence of anything but a replacement procedure with the same Bosch pump.

 

[grimmjeeper]

Again I must ask what new pump are you talking about? I have never seen it, no description of any changes to the HPFP. and no evidence of anything but a replacement procedure with the same Bosch pump.

The recall pump is a modified version of the original. All of the changes are internal and are designed to stand up to the lower grade of diesel we run in the US. Externally, it looks just like the old pump but with a different part number.

I'm not sure of the details of the internal changes. But they are there.

 

[RandyP111]

The recall pump is a modified version of the original. All of the changes are internal and are designed to stand up to the lower grade of diesel we run in the US. Externally, it looks just like the old pump but with a different part number.

I'm not sure of the details of the internal changes. But they are there.

Thanks for responding, do you have a new part number, technical description, or Stellantis release detailing any changes? What "coating"? I really would like information about this.

 

[grimmjeeper]

Thanks for responding, do you have a new part number, technical description, or Stellantis release detailing any changes? What "coating"? I really would like information about this.

I don't. Sorry.

 

[Grayhound]

Fun part of that is actually that if you haven't had the recall done, and your HPFP shits a brick, Stellantis foots the bill. However once you have the HPFP recall completed (let me remind you, that they replaced the Bosch CP4.2 with a Bosch CP4.2 WITH A COATING ON IT) if that new CP4.2 fails, the fix is on you.

You have the lifetime of the vehicle to have it replaced. However the second you bring the vehicle to dealership, they are going to be required to complete the recall before they can release your vehicle to you. Why do you think they're so adamant to have everyone have the recall completed? Because they would rather spend $2,400 replacing an HPFP and a couple tubes, then $30,000 on a new engine.

Me personally I'm going to wait until 70,000 miles and then I'm going to replace my CP4.2 with a CPX. There's a thread around here somewhere about just that, it might even be one of the ones I created. The CPX is an actual fix for the CP4.2. The failure point is that roller pin in the HPFP.

A coating will just delay the inevitable, however replacing that roller pin with one that can't roll is an actual fix. A fix that Bosch should have done, but didn't because that would cost them too much money, and because Mopar just wanted a quick fix to get the feds to leave them alone, you guys get to be the guinea pigs. Congratulations!

When the man tells you to "Jump!", you shouldn't ask them "How high?", you should ask them "What's in it for me?" "What happens if I don't?" "What did you do that actually fixed this problem?" "Does it benefit me more to do it your way, or is there a better way to do fix this problem?"

Maybe I'm just too much of an untrusting skeptic, but those questions that we asked early on when this recall was released, were met with some very telling answers.

If I were you I wouldn't trust your CP4.2 (with a coating) to be any better than the CP4.2 (without). I would also question what other software changes they uploaded onto your EcoDiesel which they're not disclosing. Don't forget this is the company who has already vowed to have a full EV lineup with no fossil fuel vehicles by 2035. That's not very far away, and it's only a matter of time before they start bricking vehicles to get you into a new EV Jeep. And who do you think is at the top of that line, THE EVIL DIESEL!!!


Paranoid? Maybe
Crazy? Most definitely!
But at the end of the day, a lot of y'all are going to be so shocked when the truth comes out, but not me because my EcoDiesel is still going to be running strong!

You know why? Because I didn't jump like a good monkey!


Sorry if this came out as hostile @Plongson no aggression towards you, just the direction that jeep is going and the mistrust of the industry in general, along with the people pulling the strings at the top!

This is the 1st I've seen of the change being a coating!

I must have missed a thread...

 

[Deleted User 38384]

This is the 1st I've seen of the change being a coating!

I must have missed a thread...

If you look through my created threads it's somewhere in there probably titled about the CPX or something

 

[PeCoasta]

Fun part of that is actually that if you haven't had the recall done, and your HPFP shits a brick, Stellantis foots the bill. However once you have the HPFP recall completed (let me remind you, that they replaced the Bosch CP4.2 with a Bosch CP4.2 WITH A COATING ON IT) if that new CP4.2 fails, the fix is on you.

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Do you have paperwork from the recall that states that? I have had tons of recalls on various cars done, and if you are under warranty, and the oem recalls something to be fixed, they dont just invalidate your warranty afterwards and say you are on your own. My ‘22 is at 29,800 miles and if this replaced hpfp failed I would expect, and it should, be covered under warranty.

 

[Deleted User 38384]

Do you have paperwork from the recall that states that? I have had tons of recalls on various cars done, and if you are under warranty, and the oem recalls something to be fixed, they dont just invalidate your warranty afterwards and say you are on your own. My ‘22 is at 29,800 miles and if this replaced hpfp failed I would expect, and it should, be covered under warranty.

That is correct. Warranties do provide you a level of security. Unfortunately with Jeep the powertrain warranty is only 5 years/60,000 mi without the extended plan. So you're not getting a lot of protection there. As it is I'm about 2 years/15,000 miles away from not being covered anymore myself.

You don't need paperwork to use your head. Warranty plans are readily available on the internet with a simple search. The rest of it is just a little bit of common sense.

Though I will say, individual parts from parts manufacturers do come with their own separate warranties. I'm not sure how long Bosch warranties their HPFP CP4.2 for, but if it does fail post recall, and you are outside of your powertrain warranty, you might be able to get Bosh to cover the cost, but realistically good luck with that. That's going to be a lot of work on your end and it will probably involve a lawyer.

Why not choose the safer bet and just put in a CPX and not have to worry about that part failing ever again for the lifetime of the vehicle?

 

[zouch]

don't sweat it.

i've had both the Z96 CP4 recall and the Y81 DEF reflash done, and could detect no differences after many thousands of miles.

first, i had the CP4 fail abruptly @4100 miles and take out the entire fuel system with it. ignoring the fact that having the thing just shut off can be *awkward* at best, spending a couple of months waiting for all the parts that needed to be replaced is much less fun than just getting the CP4 replaced in a same-day visit to the dealer. (i've done that too, when they finally came out with the recall.)

Uggggh...2020 JLURD. Well, I'm on the dealers list to replace the HPFP and got the call to schedule the replacement. They also want to do the DEF flash.
This this thing runs SO GOOD (for over 60k miles), I reluctantly scheduled the recall repair. I sure hope it comes back as good as it left.

What is the consensus here with those who have had the new pump and DEF flash done. Actually, I'm really hating the thought of this being done...I'd had hoped they would not get to me.

 

[PeCoasta]

That is correct. Warranties do provide you a level of security. Unfortunately with Jeep the powertrain warranty is only 5 years/60,000 mi without the extended plan. So you're not getting a lot of protection there. As it is I'm about 2 years/15,000 miles away from not being covered anymore myself.

You don't need paperwork to use your head. Warranty plans are readily available on the internet with a simple search. The rest of it is just a little bit of common sense.

Though I will say, individual parts from parts manufacturers do come with their own separate warranties. I'm not sure how long Bosch warranties their HPFP CP4.2 for, but if it does fail post recall, and you are outside of your powertrain warranty, you might be able to get Bosh to cover the cost, but realistically good luck with that. That's going to be a lot of work on your end and it will probably involve a lawyer.

Why not choose the safer bet and just put in a CPX and not have to worry about that part failing ever again for the lifetime of the vehicle?

Its not. The diesel powertrain warranty is 5/100k.

I will probably switch to the cpx once I hit 100k, but to do so before the warranty is up doesnt make much sense.

 

[Deleted User 38384]

Its not. The diesel powertrain warranty is 5/100k.

I will probably switch to the cpx once I hit 100k, but to do so before the warranty is up doesnt make much sense.

I forgot about that.

Interesting, so it's a 5-year 100,000 mile warranty?

I know I drive a lot more than most people do, about 15,000-20,000 miles a year on average, per vehicle we own. So while I probably won't hit 100,000 miles in 5 years, I'll definitely hit 5 years in 5 years.

I mean if you like to rely on your warranties for a good vehicle, I guess that's your choice. I like to bulletproof my vehicles before they have a chance to fail. That way I'm not waiting for 2 months for the dealership to do an engine swap before I can drive my vehicle again. I'd much rather spend one day and $700 replacing my CP4.2 with a CPX than having to deal with @JeepCares and the dealership.

Again it's preference. I don't rely on anyone else for my vehicles, but that's also why my vehicles tend to last me so long. Most people who bring their vehicles to the dealership end up trading them in within 2-10 years.

We have another thread around here somewhere that I created talking about how dealerships are hiring kids with zero experience right out of high school to work on your $90,000 vehicle. If that's the kind of technician you want to trust, be my guest! But I know that I am the only one who has my vehicles best interest. Big corporations and 18 year old kids definitely don't care about what happens to my vehicle in the long run. They're just hoping for another sale years down the road, or another repair to net them a couple hundred bucks.

 

[PeCoasta]

All depends on your dealer. The tech who worked on mine was a seasoned diesel tech. But if you swap the fuel pump now and it still goes, now youre on the hook for engine replacement yourself when you could have had it taken care of by the dealer if you just waited.

 

[JL Diesel]

I was in the boat of wait as long as possible to get the recall because I already am on my second pump but the time came in the form of a letter from my insurance. They don’t like insuring cars with active safety recalls. I will say the dealer did it in half a day (same one that swapped out my original) but it does give a longer and louder whine now after I turn off my jeep which I’m not too stoked about.

 

[autotragic]

Uggggh...2020 JLURD. Well, I'm on the dealers list to replace the HPFP and got the call to schedule the replacement. They also want to do the DEF flash.
This this thing runs SO GOOD (for over 60k miles), I reluctantly scheduled the recall repair. I sure hope it comes back as good as it left.

What is the consensus here with those who have had the new pump and DEF flash done. Actually, I'm really hating the thought of this being done...I'd had hoped they would not get to me.

Why don't you just cancel the appointment and not do it?

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