GOODBYE EcoDiesel; HELLO FUEL EFFICIENCY!!!

[Yawnie'sPapa]

Hell, he keeps focusing on mileage too!

How did I miss that??
MPG and Jeep in the same discussion? Ouch
I just don't know what's happening to people these days. Trying to equate a tall brick with efficiency and speed.
Next thing we'll see is the Prius people talking of what great vehicles theirs are on the Rubicon.

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[Deleted User 38384]

How did I miss that??
MPG and Jeep in the same discussion? Ouch
I just don't know what's happening to people these days. Trying to equate a tall brick with efficiency and speed.
Next thing we'll see is the Prius people talking of what great vehicles theirs are on the Rubicon.

But that's also why I went with the EcoDiesel, I averaged about 15,000 mi a year, at least 80% of which if not more is highway driving.

One of the huge benefits of the EcoDiesel is the MPGs is probably best of all the Wrangler engine options, and that it lives for highways. All the while giving buttloads of low end torque when you go off-roading.

I've yet to meet Wrangler owner who has driven or who owns an EcoDiesel and isn't immediately in love with how efficient and quick and quality the engine is. It may not be for everybody in every situation, but for those who it does work for, I haven't met a single person who says they traded in their ecodiesel because it didn't do everything they needed it to do.

My speed to mile per gallon thoughts are really just comparatively to other Wrangler engines. May not be as fast 392, but plenty fast and gets good mileage at the same time. May not be as efficient as the 4XE in city driving, but on the highways it's king. More low-end torque than the 3.6L for off-roading. Throw it in a Rubicon and you got an off-road beast. 2.0 is like a smaller version of the EcoDiesel. Basically not as amazing, but close, but with better city miles.

I don't know anybody on this forum other than myself who has picture proof of getting 33.45 MPG. Did I have to drive like an asshole to do it? Of course, but what other way is there to get insane mileage out of the Wrangler?


Really it's just one of the benefits of owning an EcoDiesel Wrangler.

 

[TheNewGuy]

Honestly, I think as long as you're not being a dick on the roads, the cops pretty much leave you alone. Last time I got stopped by the police was 7 years ago, and I've been a good boy ever since.

I've been speeding since last Friday when I fueled up last. Mostly highway driving, 80-100mph for a good 150 miles of this tank. Though really that's not bad considering how much I've been speeding.

 

[CableDaddy]

Even geothermal?

$1.18 per full charge in non-summer months. About $1.70 per full charge in peak months.
If I had a full EV I could get better rates and change charging to night time only. But for our use, it gets charged any time it gets parked back in the garage.
At a typical 25-26 miles per charge so far (it can be as low as 24 when windy, etc.) that's not too bad, driving 25 miles for a buck eighteen and 25 miles for a buck 70 June, July, August.

Your rates are 6.82-9.82 cents per kWh? Last I checked, Utah was the cheapest energy area and they are currently 13kWh. Don’t know how you got 40-60% off but damn.. congrats on that!

Your charging vs DEF would be $205.22-$295.65 vs $40, or $513.04-$739.13 vs $100 @10k. Not nearly as bad, but still not even remotely close enough to “wash” it. A wash at your rates would need oil changes, brakes, and then some also thrown in. Likely wouldn’t cover all maintenance however. That’s for those paying the full rates haha.

 

[Pig-Pen]

Do you even wrench bro?

 

[Yawnie'sPapa]

Your rates are 6.82-9.82 cents per kWh? Last I checked, Utah was the cheapest energy area and they are currently 13kWh. Don’t know how you got 40-60% off but damn.. congrats on that!

Your charging vs DEF would be $205.22-$295.65 vs $40, or $513.04-$739.13 vs $100 @10k. Not nearly as bad, but still not even remotely close enough to “wash” it. A wash at your rates would need oil changes, brakes, and then some also thrown in. Likely wouldn’t cover all maintenance however. That’s for those paying the full rates haha.

Iowa.
I took out TOTAL electric bill and did the math for the actual energy we used.

Average MidAmerican rate is 10.69 cents/kwh
It varies and is lower in the non-peak months, and higher in the peak months.
I believe June-September is the summer rate last I looked at their site.
It also varies with how much you use - it's one rate for the first 1,000 and then lower after that if your home is all electric.

Iowa is also something like over 85% renewable - wind, mostly.

Here is a total from March -

So the total cost was $238.20 for that month.

The total kWh used -

Divide the $$ amount by the kWh used to find $$/kWh
.0079 cents, I round to 8 cents or $0.08/kWh

And for one of our peak months, I get 12.9 cents/kWh
$173.50/1372 kWh

So for non-summer months it's about 8 cents, for summer months it's 13 cents.
That makes the average a bit over 10 cents or so as the snippet above says.

Do you even wrench bro?

I sure do - 50 years worth.
My shop (a total disaster right now) -

Boring bar, valve and seat equipment, lathe, powder coating, painting equipment, engine hoist, gantry crane, press, chop saw, power hack saw, solvent tank, etc.

Spring and LCA swap

Transmission rebuilds -

Engines, differentials/axles, transmissions, electric work of any sort, restore starters and alternators, merged a Jeep engine and all controls and engine bay wiring into my car..........
Don't know who you were asking or referring to.

Of course, but what other way is there to get insane mileage out of the Wrangler?

LOL - other than stripping it of anything not absolutely necessary, lowering it to within 2" of the ground, air dams and such, can't think of any other way. Maybe follow in the wake of a semi?

 

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[Ratbert]

I don't know anybody on this forum other than myself who has picture proof of getting 33.45 MPG. Did I have to drive like an asshole to do it? Of course, but what other way is there to get insane mileage out of the Wrangler?

That's without removing lots of weight, without putting on pizza tires, and without tweaking anything associated with the engine, right? Comparing the mileage and/or performance of a highly modified diesel with other stock Jeeps could be perceived to be disingenuous.

Yeah, I get decent mileage with my JLURD, but it's way down the list of priorities.

 

[Tread4Lo]

Something else to consider too Treds (and in light of the 2.0 thread about doing all bolt on engine stuff), seems you need to be our Guinea Pig for Charge Pipes, bigger turbo, etc.

 

[Deleted User 38384]

That's without removing lots of weight, without putting on pizza tires, and without tweaking anything associated with the engine, right? Comparing the mileage and/or performance of a highly modified diesel with other stock Jeeps could be perceived to be disingenuous.

Yeah, I get decent mileage with my JLURD, but it's way down the list of priorities.

If I remember right, my last MPG run, that netted me that 33.45 MPGs was with the stage 1 tune, definitely with the weight reduction although I removed a bunch of weight in the rear and just added a shit ton of weight to the front. That's why it took me so long to correct the negative rake I had.

However during that run I did not have my pizza cutters on. I was actually running the factory MT tires with my icon beadlocks at the time. That's actually part of the reason why I am planning on doing a another drive like a dick/full-fledged fuel run some point in the future now that I have the highway terrain pizza cutters. I don't know how much of a difference the pizza cutters will make, but I'm also going to edit how I do my next full-fledged fuel run by not doing it to and from work during the week, I'm probably just going to go and drive like 600 mi and see what I can get out of it.

 

[Deleted User 38384]

Something else to consider too Treds (and in light of the 2.0 thread about doing all bolt on engine stuff), seems you need to be our Guinea Pig for Charge Pipes, bigger turbo, etc.

A bigger turbo is definitely something I do plan on doing at some point in the future. Though it'll probably be somewhere over the 100,000 mile marker.

So I guess in order for major engine things:

50,000 miles I will be doing my intake manifold cleaning.
70,000 to 75,000 miles I will do the CPX high pressure fuel pump exchange.
100,000+ miles I will do the turbo swap.

I actually have no idea what the hell charge pipes are. Any chance you can explain to a noob?

I was actually looking at the option of putting my exhaust through the hood the other day. And because of what I would have to do to make that work, I figured it would be good to confuse the shit out of people as to what my Wrangler even is year-wise. So when I eventually get around to soft doors, I'll just put TJ handles on there, and I figured out today how I can put JK tail lights on my JL. Honestly it's not a terribly complicated idea at all, the JK tail lights that is. The best part is, aftermarket JK tail lights are a dime a dozen. So many options out there, all at relatively low cost. And when you compare them to the options out there for JL tail lights, the JK tail lights are dirt cheap!

But yeah, what are charge pipes?

 

[Flip]

When I bought a jeep gas mileage was the least of my worries. I'm doing my best trying to put some miles on my Jeep. I'm trying to reach 5000 miles before my first year ends.

I have the 3.6L auto, how many mpg am I getting? I have no idea.

 

[Ratbert]

A bigger turbo is definitely something I do plan on doing at some point in the future. Though it'll probably be somewhere over the 100,000 mile marker.

A bigger turbo will increase your power / reduce your MPGs, but be ready for some serious turbo lag.

 

[Deleted User 38384]

A bigger turbo will increase your power / reduce your MPGs, but be ready for some serious turbo lag.

More things I did not know. I'm trying to wrap my head around how to best do some of these more fun engine mods. Being that I'll need to have a tune done when I install some of them, to get the most out of them. Basically the idea of shipping my PCM off to Canada every time I want to edit a tune when I had a part isn't really a good option. I only know one tuner in my area in Texas, and he is EXPENSIVE. 3500 to install someone else's tune, 7,000 for a custom tune, But that would come with 2 years of edits... Still that's a lot of money. ?

He is really good at what he does, But honestly I don't think anybody is $7,000 good outside me building a custom race car, In needing a specialty tune.

 

[Tread4Lo]

Charge Pipes. https://afepower.com/afe-power-46-20434-b-bladerunner-aluminum-hot-and-cold-charge-pipe-kit-black

Less restriction, so has to be more HP/TQ, right? ??

I'm shipping off my ECU this week.

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