Ecodiesel Eco-nomics & Issues

[treillw]

Well.... at least we don't need to worry about the brakes catching on fire on the diesel....

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[00 Trans Ram]

And that right there ladies and gentlemen sums up most of the engine issues. Overloaded.

From what I'm gathering on this thread (which was very informative - frankly, I didn't believe it when I started reading this):

1) Extra equipment, extra load, and/or trailers
2) Steep graded mountains
3) Altitude

I'll never have to worry about 2-of-3, so I think I'm good. But, I now better understand the issue.

 

[GearWhore]

Mopar has a 2.5" diesel specific lift that has great reviews. The best part is it comes with Fox shocks and is affordable.

The Fox shocks are 90% of that kit. In my opinion, you can get a much more complete kit for the same $. Look for one that includes adjustable lower control arms at least. I'd also highly recommend an adjustable front track bar. The included Fox shocks have less travel than some of the other shocks out there and can limit articulation.

With adjustable lower control arms you'll be able to adjust caster based on how your Jeep sits before/after any other modifications, and be able to better dial in your steering and ride.

The adjustable track bar will re-center the front axle (as you lift, the front the axle moves to the driver's side). Rear will do the same but not as critical.

 

[Astro Jeep]

I assume the cold air intake option won't do anything to help the engine with overheating? 99% sure answer is no, but I better ask.

It might. In theory it should. I do not have it on mine. Don't take this wrong, but I think you are obsessing over this which I get. It is a lot of money. A one mile test drive at a dealer will not satisfy your fears either. There is a lot of opinions and assholes on this forum. Everyone has one, ya know. All I can tell you is there is no perfect engine. The 3.0 IS PROVEN. It is fun, it is powerful, it has torque, and it is not everything to everyone, but it is to me. If you want the diesel just buy it. After a month or so if you do not like it, unload it. The market right now is good enough that you can get away with that as long as you buy it from the factory and at around 6-8% under invoice which is easy to do. You just have to be willing to buy a plane ticket and drive it back home. That drive home alone will let you know if you love it or not. A mini vacation to get away from everyone that annoys you!

 

[Astro Jeep]

Elaborate... haha

If this has been covered I apologize. Section 179 is a business write off. It is only available if your Jeep has been purchased by the business, or you are a sole proprietor and you use it primarily for business.

 

[Astro Jeep]

Like yourself I live in one of the hottest climates in America and head out on adventures that takes me through some very steep grades in the mountains. I haven't towed in the mountains nor will I ever place a roof-top tent or something similar on top of my rig. Although my payload surly exceeds the marginal load capacity. I'm constantly trying to refine that and keep it at a minimal. It's this whole Overland thing which I am a fan of but I'm constantly trying to minimize and take every effort constantly to downsize my payload. Jeep continues to improve. It's the Jeepers that continually push the envelope especially with this overlanding thing thinking they need everything under the sun and the kitchen sink when heading out for several days and nights off the beaten path. I'm confident if we packed our rigs more like we were going out on a backpacking Adventure, there would be far fewer of these concerns. And the capability that the jeep was intended to perform would remain optimal. I will admit I was intrigued and interested even at one time very serious about these small trail type trailers. But like everything there's never a stopping point. Two-door Jeep to a four-door Jeep then adding a trailer a roof-top tent. A Jeep Wrangler was never intended nor was it engineered for such a thing it's the Jeepers pushing the envelope. Jeep knows there's a heat concern with the diesel stuffed in the small engine bay of this Wrangler. It's my understanding and I've also read that the European EcoDiesel Wranglers come with a functional vented Hood. I believe this would be very effective in allowing the hot air to escape caused by the diesel and the Turbo. What is it with the auto manufacturers always putting the optional cool accessories or functionable factory options, (here in the Wrangler Diesel case), standard on European models and not the US market. I think it just needs to breathe and vent better. This non mechanical vented hood improvement such as a the one found on the European models, if it proves itself, it could be the Holy Grail by eliminating this overheating issue and 100% maintenance-free. Come on Jeep Cares! Let's give it a try. Give us an option. We have the block heater for cold climates at least make it an option to order the vented Hood for the hot climates. It's another reason I don't like Rubicon's, and I'm not talkin the 392, I see more posers that will never wheel the Rubicon than any other model. Those non functionable fake hood ornaments? Why? jmo it plays to that whole poser got to roll on 20's ...lol..the Rubicon sticker, Rubicon embroidered on the seats and the toy Matchbox fake hood scoop. It's okay, it keeps the trails less congested and more Rubicon crowds at your local mall, and Wally's World.

This was a great post except for the last 4 or 5 sentences. That part was just a rant that had nothing to do with the great points you were making. Who cares if people buy Rubicons as a status symbol. I should hope more people do. Without them the cost of the Rubicon would go drastically up because the economies of scale would be much less. Heck, without them there might not even be a Rubicon trim.

 

[rickinAZ]

I never even test driven the diesel yet and my 2022 diesel should show up at the dealer within the next 2 weeks ???

I was in the same boat - you won't be disappointed. Research these for your first two purchases: Scangauge and Pedal Commander (or any throttle enhancer). You'll thank me later.

 

[rickinAZ]

I assume the cold air intake option won't do anything to help the engine with overheating? 99% sure answer is no, but I better ask.

Actually it won't help with anything, except sound.

 

[treillw]

This was a great post except for the last 4 or 5 sentences. That part was just a rant that had nothing to do with the great points you were making. Who cares if people buy Rubicons as a status symbol. I should hope more people do. Without them the cost of the Rubicon would go drastically up because the economies of scale would be much less. Heck, without them there might not even be a Rubicon trim.

I saw an ~80 year old man driving a stock Rubicon down the interstate over the weekend. I should have flagged him down and enlightened him on why he doesn't need a Rubicon.

 

[john adams]

This was a great post except for the last 4 or 5 sentences. That part was just a rant that had nothing to do with the great points you were making. Who cares if people buy Rubicons as a status symbol. I should hope more people do. Without them the cost of the Rubicon would go drastically up because the economies of scale would be much less. Heck, without them there might not even be a Rubicon trim.

I'm basically this person. My JLURD will have a winch and I will take it up to Rausch Creek here in PA to make sure I know how to use its capabilities, and maybe I will go do some more serious off-roading (not just trails) once every few years with a buddy, but 99.9% of its life will be on asphalt. My challenge will be keeping it clear of the Costco shopping carts.

I could be wrong and maybe I'll want to be off-roading all the time but on the east coast, we don't have the same offerings as the folks out west.

 

[TX_Ovrlnd]

This was a great post except for the last 4 or 5 sentences. That part was just a rant that had nothing to do with the great points you were making. Who cares if people buy Rubicons as a status symbol. I should hope more people do. Without them the cost of the Rubicon would go drastically up because the economies of scale would be much less. Heck, without them there might not even be a Rubicon trim.

Kudos to you enduring the wall-o-text, my eyes told my scroll hand to keep going.

 

[Sobchak Security]

I just bought the diesel on a factory order having never test driven the 3.0. I only test drove the 2.0T and the 3.6.

This is my problem. I can't find a 3.0 to test drive anywhere in CO. I really need to give it a spin before I place an order.

 

[Compression-Ignition]

This is my problem. I can't find a 3.0 to test drive anywhere in CO. I really need to give it a spin before I place an order.

Not really. I mean if you need to, you need to, but I'm saying you don't.

Do you recall the first time you drove a newer diesel pickup? When they started coming from the factory with what seemed like an ungodly amount of torque. I sure do. I was done with gas pickups at that point. I still wax nostalgic over your hot rods and whatnot, but they can't hold a candle to what a diesel can do....in my estimation. Same holds true for the Wrangler.

There are some pretty neat engine options available for the descendant of the little Army Jeep. I personally would have bet a lot of cash that there would never be this many at one time. Still blows my mind to think about it. But for anyone that likes diesels and is pondering one....nothing else will do, and you might as well get it coming as soon as you're able.

 

[treillw]

This is my problem. I can't find a 3.0 to test drive anywhere in CO. I really need to give it a spin before I place an order.

I haven't driven one either. From driving diesels in the past, I just know how it's going to pull up a hill.

It has about as much torque as the 392 Jeep.... It's going to haul.

I talked to a guy this weekend who has a diesel and a 392. Both are on 37s. He said that the diesel motor is awesome and almost the same as his 392. He said the 392 drives like a sports car. I believe both are AEV vehicles.

 

[BroncoHound]

Not really. I mean if you need to, you need to, but I'm saying you don't.

Do you recall the first time you drove a newer diesel pickup? When they started coming from the factory with what seemed like an ungodly amount of torque. I sure do. I was done with gas pickups at that point. I still wax nostalgic over your hot rods and whatnot, but they can't hold a candle to what a diesel can do....in my estimation. Same holds true for the Wrangler.

There are some pretty neat engine options available for the descendant of the little Army Jeep. I personally would have bet a lot of cash that there would never be this many at one time. Still blows my mind to think about it. But for anyone that likes diesels and is pondering one....nothing else will do, and you might as well get it coming as soon as you're able.

Well said; when it comes to work, a diesel engine still has no rival.

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