DEF system removal.

[SargeDiesel]

And, as expected, no data to back anything up.

It's not that I don't have data... it's that I just don't care... I dont have the OCD need to be technically correct about every statement I make...
I guess you missed the part where I said I was just messing around, and admittedly said yes, today's cars easily can make more horsepower and torque than yesterday's... but since you asked, here's your data.
https://newportcarmuseum.org/1970-454-ls6-chevelle/#:~:text=The 1970 Chevelle SS 454,horsepower rating than the Corvette.

* by the way, I miss spoke, It wasn't the GTO, it was the Chevelle.

If you need to hear "your right" or a similar jesture inorder to move on... then here you go...

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[Deleted member 59498]

The idiot telling him to delete DEF was just that an idiot. Doesn't know how diesel works and heard something from someone who read something on the internet few years ago.

The guy at my dealer told me he was going to get one of the "2 door diesels to scoot around town." ?

 

[Ratbert]

It's not that I don't have data... it's that I just don't care... I dont have the OCD need to be technically correct about every statement I make...
I guess you missed the part where I said I was just messing around, and admittedly said yes, today's cars easily can make more horsepower and torque than yesterday's... but since you asked, here's your data.
https://newportcarmuseum.org/1970-454-ls6-chevelle/#:~:text=The 1970 Chevelle SS 454,horsepower rating than the Corvette.

* by the way, I miss spoke, It wasn't the GTO, it was the Chevelle.

If you need to hear "your right" or a similar jesture inorder to move on... then here you go...

Sorry, I haven't been diagnosed with OCD, but there's a decent chance that I could lean that way in regards to technical details. I assume that's why I excel at software engineering. As you've noted, I have difficulties reading things that obviously deviate from reality and just moving along.

 

[Deleted User 38384]

You're proposing an environmentally safer alternative of making tires with dandelions? I wonder how much grip and flex they'll have on the rocks.

People die every day, let's make them into something useful, and help the environment while we're at it!

 

[GtX]

And a 1970 GTO made 450... naturally ?‍

https://www.hemmings.com/stories/ar...~:text=The GTO was judged by,bore and 3.75-in.

The GTO was judged by what lay under its twin-scooped hood, and the 1970 models offered a number of big-bore choices. The standard engine, shared with the Grand Prix, Firebird and Trans Am, was Pontiac's 400-cu.in. V-8, which, with its 4.12-in. bore and 3.75-in. stroke and 10.25:1-compression ratio for manual-equipped cars (automatics had 10.0-compression) made 350hp at 5,000 rpm and 445 lbs.-ft. of torque at 3,000 rpm. The Ram-Air III upgrade brought 10.5-compression, 366hp at 5,100 rpm and 445 lbs.-ft. of torque at 3,600 rpm; the top 400-cu.in. V-8 was the Ram-Air IV, with 370hp at 5,500 rpm and 445 lbs.-ft. of torque at 3,900 rpm. The ultimate GTO engine was the 455-cu.in. V-8, which had a 4.15-in. bore and 4.21-in. stroke and could be had with or without Ram-Air. It used a 10.25:1 compression ratio, and made 360hp at 4,300 rpm and 500 lbs.-ft. of torque at 3,100 rpm. With the 366hp Ram-Air III engine and a 4-speed manual, the GTO could run 0-60 mph in 6.0 seconds and cover the quarter-mile in 14.7-seconds at 98 mph.

1970 GTO, 14.7s at 98 MPH in the quarter.
2022 Wrangler 392, 12.9s at 104 in the quarter.

Huh... ?‍

 

[av8or]

Holy cow a lot of Jeep owners are scientists!

 

[Deleted member 59498]

53 years, yeah. ?‍

 

[GtX]

Holy cow a lot of Jeep owners are scientists!

I was a scientist.
Chemistry undergrad and first 10 years of my career in product and process development.
Got an MBA and am now a faceless suit.

 

[SargeDiesel]

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https://www.hemmings.com/stories/article/1970-pontiac-gto#:~:text=The GTO was judged by,bore and 3.75-in.

The GTO was judged by what lay under its twin-scooped hood, and the 1970 models offered a number of big-bore choices. The standard engine, shared with the Grand Prix, Firebird and Trans Am, was Pontiac's 400-cu.in. V-8, which, with its 4.12-in. bore and 3.75-in. stroke and 10.25:1-compression ratio for manual-equipped cars (automatics had 10.0-compression) made 350hp at 5,000 rpm and 445 lbs.-ft. of torque at 3,000 rpm. The Ram-Air III upgrade brought 10.5-compression, 366hp at 5,100 rpm and 445 lbs.-ft. of torque at 3,600 rpm; the top 400-cu.in. V-8 was the Ram-Air IV, with 370hp at 5,500 rpm and 445 lbs.-ft. of torque at 3,900 rpm. The ultimate GTO engine was the 455-cu.in. V-8, which had a 4.15-in. bore and 4.21-in. stroke and could be had with or without Ram-Air. It used a 10.25:1 compression ratio, and made 360hp at 4,300 rpm and 500 lbs.-ft. of torque at 3,100 rpm. With the 366hp Ram-Air III engine and a 4-speed manual, the GTO could run 0-60 mph in 6.0 seconds and cover the quarter-mile in 14.7-seconds at 98 mph.

1970 GTO, 14.7s at 98 MPH in the quarter.
2022 Wrangler 392, 12.9s at 104 in the quarter.

Huh... ?‍

I guess you were so excited to post this, you missed my correction.

 

[Valpo Jeep]

And a 1970 GTO made 450... naturally ?‍

Yeah it was a sweet ride and made good power but what was reported really wasn't what the engine in the car was making.

Prior to 1972 American carmakers used the SAE (Society of Automotive Engineers) “gross” measurement of horsepower. Gross meant the figure was taken from an engine running on a test stand, with no air cleaner assembly, accessories or exhaust system connected.

https://www.hagerty.com/media/archived/horsepower/

 

[SargeDiesel]

Yeah it was a sweet ride and made good power but what was reported really wasn't what the engine in the car was making.

Prior to 1972 American carmakers used the SAE (Society of Automotive Engineers) “gross” measurement of horsepower. Gross meant the figure was taken from an engine running on a test stand, with no air cleaner assembly, accessories or exhaust system connected.

https://www.hagerty.com/media/archived/horsepower/

Yeah , sweet ride for sure. I had the HP of the Chevelle mixed up with the GTO. I understand about the reporting of HP.... not sure how that got to be such a hot topic...

All I was saying is, when I hear the word "HOTROD"... I think of the 60's - 70's cars. I'm not even sure I've ever even heard if a 2000+ car referenced as a hotrod...
It was just an innocent comment that got blew out of proportion.

 

[GtX]

https://newportcarmuseum.org/1970-454-ls6-chevelle/#:~:text=The 1970 Chevelle SS 454,horsepower rating than the Corvette.

* by the way, I miss spoke, It wasn't the GTO, it was the Chevelle.

The 1970 Chevelle with the 454ci V8 was a pretty rare vehicle with an enormous engine for the day. Wouldn't the correct comparison be to a similar vehicle today? Perhaps 2023 Challenger SRT Hellcat?

1970 Chevelle 454ci V8, 450 HP, 13.7s at 139 MPH
2023 Challenger SRT Hellcat 378ci V8, 807 HP, 11.8 at 125 MPH

 

[Deleted member 59498]

Hotrods were not stock right? They were made into "Hotrods", Muscle cars were stock?

 

[Ratbert]

Hotrods were not stock right? They were made into "Hotrods", Muscle cars were stock?

Absolutely. "Hotrods" weren't even part of the discussion until recently. Just muscle cars.

Maybe @jjvincent will pipe in to acknowledge that his perception of how much more powerful muscle cars were back in the day might not exactly comport with reality. Hell, weren't we still on bias-ply tires back then?

 

[Valpo Jeep]

Yeah , sweet ride for sure. I had the HP of the Chevelle mixed up with the GTO. I understand about the reporting of HP.... not sure how that got to be such a hot topic...

All I was saying is, when I hear the word "HOTROD"... I think of the 60's - 70's cars. I'm not even sure I've ever even heard if a 2000+ car referenced as a hotrod...
It was just an innocent comment that got blew out of proportion.

Took nothing from it. Yeah I am with you about the 60/70s muscle car era and todays high power cars are not muscle cars or HOT RODS. See I go even further back for the HOT ROD reference. 30s 40s, and some of the 50s are HOT RODS.

Todays cars I am not sure what to call them. My Audi makes 310 HP which is great numbers and can be tuned to 430 HP very easily. But its not a HOT ROD or a MUSCLE car even though it will probably take the Chevelle to Gaplebees at the track.


So how in the eff did we go from DEF deletes to old school muscle. Big effing squirrel ran though this thread.

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