Death Wobble

[yokramer]

.....you replace the parts suffering from wear and tear? How's that hard to figure out?

To continue the doctor analogy (for some reason), a chiropractor would be the equivalent of greasing ball joints. Which you can't do with factory parts. So yeah, that doesn't make any sense.

No, jeep isn't going to replace everyone's steering parts, cause the majority of jeep owners are stupid enough to believe that the steering stabilizer is the actual issue. So they keep replacing stabilizers cause its a cheap and cheap labor cost, where all the rest is expensive parts and much more labor. So yeah, they're going to screw customers to save money, cause odds are that customer will trade in that jeep or run out of warranty before it becomes a real dangerous problem, and then it isn't Jeep's problem anymore. Just by purchasing a car, we accept the responsibility of taking care of our own stuff. The dealership isn't going to handle everything and anyone that thinks they will is a moron.
Where the hell did air pressure come from?

Yea but if your brakes are making noise how to you keep the brake system from ever wearing out?

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[Terrymo]

My wife has suggested I wear this shirt, so my in person, dead pan, sarcasm is not so difficult for people to recognize

 

[shagles]

Yea but if your brakes are making noise how to you keep the brake system from ever wearing out?

Turn the music louder, duh

 

[yokramer]

Turn the music louder, duh

But how do you deal with how speakers work if they damage your ears?

 

[Terrymo]

Yea but if your brakes are making noise how to you keep the brake system from ever wearing out?

Grease your rotors…symptom eliminated

 

[shagles]

But how do you deal with how speakers work if they damage your ears?

Leave the music loud and put in ear plugs, you know, cover up the symptom and pretend like it isn't real

 

[yokramer]

Grease your rotors…symptom eliminated

Leave the music loud and put in ear plugs, you know, cover up the symptom and pretend like it isn't real

I was gonna try but my brain hurts trying to twist it all up like that

 

[Terrymo]

Sorry death wobble gif rerun, and another weak analogy then I’m out.

Don’t fix the shoes, just add some ankle braces

 

[brconflict]

I'm not assuming anything. I've posted my observation and experience and in turn rendered an idiot. I'll accept that, as long as others can accept they bought the same brand vehicle with the same inherent potential problems I did.

I'm waiting for another DW so I can take my Wrangler back to the dealer for another look. I have 36k miles now. If I have no further problems, then I can consider my issue resolved for then. But how will I look if I go to the dealer shop and demand them to keep looking for a problem if I'm no longer having issues? What should I be expecting from them or Jeep?

If I go to a professional 4x4 shop, and they don't find a problem, what should I demand next?

I'm not expecting the stabilizer to fix the root cause, but so far, there has been no root cause I've read about that solves for everyone. What should I believe? Jeep engineering sucks? I'm an idiot because some may assume I'm lazy and don't check my vehicle for wear and tear?

No sarcasm and name-calling here because I respect my fellow Jeep owners.

 

[shagles]

So let me get this straight.
1. You know that the stabilizer isn't the root issue
2. You know that the stabilizer is just masking the issue
3. You know that something in the steering system is the issue
4. You don't think it's worth taking a deeper look because there isn't a singular part to replace to fix it for all jeeps everywhere, when the steering system is more than one part and it could be any of those parts.

Am I missing anything?

 

[brconflict]

So let me get this straight.
1. You know that the stabilizer isn't the root issue
2. You know that the stabilizer is just masking the issue
3. You know that something in the steering system is the issue
4. You don't think it's worth taking a deeper look because there isn't a singular part to replace to fix it for all jeeps everywhere, when the steering system is more than one part and it could be any of those parts.

Am I missing anything?

That all sounds about right. Except I've not seen proof of 1-3. I've only been told that here on this forum by other members. So, I only have other Jeep owners, the dealer, and my own experience as my sources.

Do I think it's worth taking a deeper dive? Certainly! Where and how should we go about doing that? Assuming I could reach someone truthful, or if the engineers at Jeep were to tell me the stabilizer is now necessary due to new demands on the design and wear and tear of modern Wranglers, should I tell them they're lying to me? Who should I believe then and why?

 

[gek]

That all sounds about right. Except I've not seen proof of 1-3. I've only been told that here on this forum by other members. So, I only have other Jeep owners, the dealer, and my own experience as my sources.

Do I think it's worth taking a deeper dive? Certainly! Where and how should we go about doing that? Assuming I could reach someone truthful, or if the engineers at Jeep were to tell me the stabilizer is now necessary due to new demands on the design and wear and tear of modern Wranglers, should I tell them they're lying to me? Who should I believe then and why?

The stabilizer is literally a shock, how can it cause death wobble.

We have told you many times it is a mask for the real issue and explained it.

To quote myself

The root cause is oscillations brought on by worn components triggered by bumps in the road.

The stabilizer does not stop components from wearing out it is just a shock to limit oscillations, that can sometimes be caused by worn components.

no matter what components are still worn and will only wear out more and more will wear out faster if you don't fix it correctly in the beginning.

 

[yokramer]

That all sounds about right. Except I've not seen proof of 1-3. I've only been told that here on this forum by other members. So, I only have other Jeep owners, the dealer, and my own experience as my sources.

Do I think it's worth taking a deeper dive? Certainly! Where and how should we go about doing that? Assuming I could reach someone truthful, or if the engineers at Jeep were to tell me the stabilizer is now necessary due to new demands on the design and wear and tear of modern Wranglers, should I tell them they're lying to me? Who should I believe then and why?

Do you know how shocks work?

 

[gek]

Here @brconflict will you believe quadratec?

Direct quote from the "Death Wobble Misconceptions" section.

" Another incorrect belief is that swapping out the vehicle’s steering stabilizer for a stronger version will solve death wobble. While a steering stabilizer is a good tool to act as a ‘cushion’ for your steering, and help dampen normal steering wander after hitting a rut, a stronger steering stabilizer will only tend to mask the underlying issues. In fact, a steering stabilizer can only make things more difficult to resolve and may even cause more problems down the road. "

link:
https://www.quadratec.com/c/blog/wh...wobble-how-to-fix&gad_campaignid=228397348755

 

[shagles]

That all sounds about right. Except I've not seen proof of 1-3. I've only been told that here on this forum by other members. So, I only have other Jeep owners, the dealer, and my own experience as my sources.

Do I think it's worth taking a deeper dive? Certainly! Where and how should we go about doing that? Assuming I could reach someone truthful, or if the engineers at Jeep were to tell me the stabilizer is now necessary due to new demands on the design and wear and tear of modern Wranglers, should I tell them they're lying to me? Who should I believe then and why?

Ok. Sounds like you have no clue how the steering system or any of its components work, so you’re never going to believe us or any of the other jeep owners on here that have had and fixed death wobble. @gek posted info from quadratec, and many of the other suspension companies have similar info available. If all you will accept is the dealer or Chrysler’s answer, then we can’t help you and this is pointless. They’re going to tell you what is the easiest for them to fix at the least cost cause that’s how businesses work.
Have a day guy.

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