Death Wobble

[brconflict]

The cause is oscillations brought on by worn components triggered by bumps in the road.

The stabilizer does not stop components from wearing out it is just a shock to limit oscillations, that can sometimes be caused by worn components.

no matter what components are still worn and will only wear out more and more will wear out faster if you don't fix it correctly in the beginning.

What fix do you propose to correct at the beginning that would solve this problem for the life of the vehicle? Also my vehicle was new when I experienced DW. The dealer checked it out and found no issues. Later, when I experienced it again at 22k miles (street-driver), they replaced the stabilizer, and that has solved the problem since. What else should they have fixed?

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[yokramer]

From what you're saying, we know more about what can allow DW, not what causes it. Maybe this is where a distinction should be made.

There wasn't steering stabilizer on on SFA vehicles that didn't experience this problem, sure. However the designs for many of those could have been drastically different. You still have to consider that the design of a Jeep isn't the same as all other vehicles.

In engineering, many problems are solved by workarounds. NASA once spent millions trying to develop a pen that writes in zero-G. The Russian astronauts used a wooden pencil.
Volkswagen Beetle in the late 60's and early 70's were air-cooled and didn't require a radiator. But, those engines also didn't produce but about 40HP. Wanting more power would require a radiator.

Jeep has a 2.0 L engine that, on its own would probably put out only 110 HP. Adding a turbo raises the power level by quite a lot, but it brings new issues, such as cooling, proper oil, and the requirement to change plugs every 60k miles. They added a separate cooling system for the turbo and recommend changing oil every 5k miles. They also tried to eliminate carbon build-up on valves by finding a workaround from using direct injection faults.

The point is, adding a stabilizer might not be to fix a root cause, but honestly, trying to keep all the other areas of wear and tear from causing DW is probably a never-ending battle. It might be the only reasonable fix for a design that buyers won't allow them to change.

 

[gek]

What fix do you propose to correct at the beginning that would solve this problem for the life of the vehicle? Also my vehicle was new when I experienced DW. The dealer checked it out and found no issues. Later, when I experienced it again at 22k miles (street-driver), they replaced the stabilizer, and that has solved the problem since. What else should they have fixed?

There is no such thing as permanent fix to it. You have to replace things as they wears out like any other suspension/steering in existence.

They should have dug deeper and fixed whatever the actual problem was. There is a good chance the dealer went through and re torqued everything both time and didn't put that down and in order to make any money off it they replaced your stabilizer as well.

My wife's jeep is at 85,000 miles on the stock stabilizer and mine is at 30,000 on the stock one, with a huge gouge in it. But since I fix shit when it wears out they both do not and have not had death wobble.

 

[brconflict]

Ok, so then, what is your conclusion to this issue, then? Rather than just post a meme? How can you solve this problem for DW?

 

[brconflict]

There is no such thing as permanent fix to it. You have to replace things as they wears out like any other suspension/steering in existence.

They should have dug deeper and fixed whatever the actual problem was. There is a good chance the dealer went through and re torqued everything both time and didn't put that down and in order to make any money off it they replaced your stabilizer as well.

My wife's jeep is at 85,000 miles on the stock stabilizer and mine is at 30,000 on the stock one, with a huge gouge in it. But since I fix shit when it wears out they both do not and have not had death wobble.

Totally agree. There is no permanent fix, and likely, there is no guarantee from anyone, including the manufacturer as to how to solve this problem for everyone. You have to troubleshoot when it gets risky and do your best to prevent further occurrences by replacing parts that could potentially fail. Or drive something else, I suppose.

 

[Terrymo]

What fix do you propose to correct at the beginning that would solve this problem for the life of the vehicle? Also my vehicle was new when I experienced DW. The dealer checked it out and found no issues. Later, when I experienced it again at 22k miles (street-driver), they replaced the stabilizer, and that has solved the problem since. What else should they have fixed?

Removing a symptom is not solving the problem which requires eliminating the root cause(s).

You go to the Doctor with a horrible pain deep in your back. Does it hurt he asks? Hell yeah it does, you reply. What do you think is causing it? Oh we don’t have time to find that out, just take these pain killers everyday and see me in a week. At your next appointment he asks, does your back still hurt. Nope, you reply happily, as you walk out of his office.

Did you solve the problem or simply remove a symptom?

 

[brconflict]

Removing a symptom is not solving the problem which requires eliminating the root cause(s).

You go to the Doctor with a horrible pain deep in your back. Does it hurt he asks? Hell yeah it does, you reply. What do you think is causing it? Oh we don’t have time to find that out, just take these pain killers everyday and see me in a week. At your next appointment he asks, does your back still hurt. Nope, you reply happily, as you walk out of his office.

Did you solve the problem or simply remove a symptom?

I agree. But what is the known root cause? Wear and tear? How do you solve that?

In your doctor analogy, incidentally, we all may experience that because why perform surgery on someone’s back to fix something a chiropractor might have resolved with regular visits. Do we expect Jeep to replace all our front-end parts out of extra caution if we only needed air pressure in the tires? They can do that, but you’ll pay through the nose for it.

 

[Lil Ennis]

If you ask a old jeep tech how to permanently fix it they will tell you its the weak steering parts, and the stabilizer fix is just hiding it. Of course putting the stabilizer on is their solution. I just went straight to steer smarts yeti's tierod, draglink,and trackbar. There is no wobble with or without the steering stabilizer, i know because i tested it without.

 

[yokramer]

Removing a symptom is not solving the problem which requires eliminating the root cause(s).

You go to the Doctor with a horrible pain deep in your back. Does it hurt he asks? Hell yeah it does, you reply. What do you think is causing it? Oh we don’t have time to find that out, just take these pain killers everyday and see me in a week. At your next appointment he asks, does your back still hurt. Nope, you reply happily, as you walk out of his office.

Did you solve the problem or simply remove a symptom?

Dont bother hes smarter than the rest of us.

 

[Terrymo]

Dont bother hes smarter than the rest of us.

If repeating the same thing over and over makes you smart…then yeah…I suppose so.

 

[Terrymo]

I agree. But what is the known root cause? Wear and tear? How do you solve that?

In your doctor analogy, incidentally, we all may experience that because why perform surgery on someone’s back to fix something a chiropractor might have resolved with regular visits. Do we expect Jeep to replace all our front-end parts out of extra caution if we only needed air pressure in the tires? They can do that, but you’ll pay through the nose for it.

I feel like you are arguing for the sport of it, and the only answer you will accept is your own. I wish you the best of luck.

 

[yokramer]

If repeating the same thing over and over makes you smart…then yeah…I suppose so.

I dropped my sarcasm font somewhere and cant find it.

 

[shagles]

I agree. But what is the known root cause? Wear and tear? How do you solve that?

In your doctor analogy, incidentally, we all may experience that because why perform surgery on someone’s back to fix something a chiropractor might have resolved with regular visits. Do we expect Jeep to replace all our front-end parts out of extra caution if we only needed air pressure in the tires? They can do that, but you’ll pay through the nose for it.

.....you replace the parts suffering from wear and tear? How's that hard to figure out?

To continue the doctor analogy (for some reason), a chiropractor would be the equivalent of greasing ball joints. Which you can't do with factory parts. So yeah, that doesn't make any sense.

No, jeep isn't going to replace everyone's steering parts, cause the majority of jeep owners are stupid enough to believe that the steering stabilizer is the actual issue. So they keep replacing stabilizers cause its a cheap and cheap labor cost, where all the rest is expensive parts and much more labor. So yeah, they're going to screw customers to save money, cause odds are that customer will trade in that jeep or run out of warranty before it becomes a real dangerous problem, and then it isn't Jeep's problem anymore. Just by purchasing a car, we accept the responsibility of taking care of our own stuff. The dealership isn't going to handle everything and anyone that thinks they will is a moron.
Where the hell did air pressure come from?

 

[Terrymo]

I dropped my sarcasm font somewhere and cant find it.

No with you I always listen as if the font is there unless I start to realize otherwise.

 

[yokramer]

No with you I always listen as if the font is there unless I start to realize otherwise.

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