Advanced Safety Package

[Capt-Zoom]

Manuverability in an emergency is important...I don't want the brakes kicking in when I am not ready for them. Speaking of manuverability ...I haven't tested it on the jl yet but on my challenger if the stability control and traction control were on it greatly reduced manuverability. Living around lots of kids this was bad in case you had to avoid a kid running into the street or a ball coming from a driveway. I am curious if disabling it in the jl will do the same.

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[InvertedLogic]

Manuverability in an emergency is important...I don't want the brakes kicking in when I am not ready for them.

It won't hit the brakes for you unless you're going under 30mph. Faster than 30 it'll warn you, and if you brake but without sufficient force to stop the vehicle, it'll apply full brakes.


I have it and have enjoyed it thus far. My only complaint is that the ACC in traffic seems to follow the pulsing wave of traffic. Meaning it'll slow way down if the person in front of me slows down (obviously), but when the person in front of me floors it, ACC tries to keep up and is pretty aggressive on the throttle. I feel like the hard gas and hard brake just makes traffic worse. I prefer to keep rolling at a fixed speed and let the dude in front of me play that game.

 

[PGFDE121]

It won't hit the brakes for you unless you're going under 30mph. Faster than 30 it'll warn you, and if you brake but without sufficient force to stop the vehicle, it'll apply full brakes.


I have it and have enjoyed it thus far. My only complaint is that the ACC in traffic seems to follow the pulsing wave of traffic. Meaning it'll slow way down if the person in front of me slows down (obviously), but when the person in front of me floors it, ACC tries to keep up and is pretty aggressive on the throttle. I feel like the hard gas and hard brake just makes traffic worse. I prefer to keep rolling at a fixed speed and let the dude in front of me play that game.

Thanks that’s helpful. Was wondering if the system slammed on the brakes...but the guy behind me plowed into me...wouldn’t really help.

 

[Majestic]

Thanks that’s helpful. Was wondering if the system slammed on the brakes...but the guy behind me plowed into me...wouldn’t really help.

Sure it would. For ticketing and insurance purposes that would be their fault and you would avoid an airbag to the face.

 

[Akbill]

It won't hit the brakes for you unless you're going under 30mph. Faster than 30 it'll warn you, and if you brake but without sufficient force to stop the vehicle, it'll apply full brakes.


I have it and have enjoyed it thus far. My only complaint is that the ACC in traffic seems to follow the pulsing wave of traffic. Meaning it'll slow way down if the person in front of me slows down (obviously), but when the person in front of me floors it, ACC tries to keep up and is pretty aggressive on the throttle. I feel like the hard gas and hard brake just makes traffic worse. I prefer to keep rolling at a fixed speed and let the dude in front of me play that game.

I agree totally that they need to retune the algothim so it doesn't accellerate so much when a car leaves my lane, or in stop and go traffic. I usually reset my speed to lower speed in those situations. I also think the rpms go up a little too high before shifting when climbing a stree hill, why does it have to go to 3500 rpm before shifting when 3000 rpm is plenty

 

[PGFDE121]

Sure it would. For ticketing and insurance purposes that would be their fault and you would avoid an airbag to the face.

True but I’d rather avoid a harsh application of the brakes when not needed- say in cases where traffic is flowing around a vehicle turning right. If everyone expects traffic to keep flowing and I come along the suddenly stop the other driver may be liable, but perhaps an accident could have been avoided altogether. I guess like anything else there’s good and bad. That being said after getting everyone’s input (- and thank you all for taking tome to comment-) I’ll go ahead and add it to the package. Order should be going in tomorrow!
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[Capt-Zoom]

It won't hit the brakes for you unless you're going under 30mph. Faster than 30 it'll warn you, and if you brake but without sufficient force to stop the vehicle, it'll apply full brakes.


I have it and have enjoyed it thus far. My only complaint is that the ACC in traffic seems to follow the pulsing wave of traffic. Meaning it'll slow way down if the person in front of me slows down (obviously), but when the person in front of me floors it, ACC tries to keep up and is pretty aggressive on the throttle. I feel like the hard gas and hard brake just makes traffic worse. I prefer to keep rolling at a fixed speed and let the dude in front of me play that game.

I don't want a vehicle braking or acceleratiwhen I am not giving that input...period. I can manage without some nanny system giving a false sense of security.

All of these excess systems take the fun and skill out of driving. Other tha the ride quality and power my nanny free TJ is a hell of a lot more fun then the JL.

 

[NOMAD-0311]

I have ACC on my Challenger and also on our Raptor and love it for road trips. I set it to 3 car lengths and go, but only use it for highway driving.

We are stationed in Puerto Rico, and let me tell you, the worst drivers I have ever seen in a US State or Territory are here! So you really have to have you head on a swivel here. With that, the ACC is an extra safety net against terrible drivers here.

I did order it on my Jeep that I’m picking up next week. And will be taking it on a Road Trip to El Paso a couple days later.

The thing with this type of thing, you are gonna get a lot of different opinions, and you know what they say about those. It’s for some people and not others. The best way to know is go test drive a vehicle with it and see if you like it. Technology is gonna happen in these vehicles if whether you like it or not. Things like backup cameras are becoming mandatory equipment in new vehicles.

 

[ormandj]

It won't hit the brakes for you unless you're going under 30mph. Faster than 30 it'll warn you, and if you brake but without sufficient force to stop the vehicle, it'll apply full brakes.


I have it and have enjoyed it thus far. My only complaint is that the ACC in traffic seems to follow the pulsing wave of traffic. Meaning it'll slow way down if the person in front of me slows down (obviously), but when the person in front of me floors it, ACC tries to keep up and is pretty aggressive on the throttle. I feel like the hard gas and hard brake just makes traffic worse. I prefer to keep rolling at a fixed speed and let the dude in front of me play that game.

I actually find it to be too passive on mine. Have you adjusted following distance? Max distance should effectively accomplish what you want until you get down into complete stop and go.

 

[InvertedLogic]

I don't want a vehicle braking or acceleratiwhen I am not giving that input...period. I can manage without some nanny system giving a false sense of security.

All of these excess systems take the fun and skill out of driving. Other tha the ride quality and power my nanny free TJ is a hell of a lot more fun then the JL.

Good thing it's an option and not a requirement. It would have saved this guy the headache of rear ending someone when he turned his head though https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/forum/threads/luckily-jeep-is-tougher-than-i-am-smart.24382/

I actually find it to be too passive on mine. Have you adjusted following distance? Max distance should effectively accomplish what you want until you get down into complete stop and go.

Yeah at max distance I find it still tries to hold the same "distance window" if you will and I still feel it on the brakes often. I think I need to max out the follow distance and lower the speed a bit I think so that it doesn't try and play catch up.

 

[TIDALWAVE]

I consider myself to be a fairly safe driver...I am paranoid enough to assume that drivers on side roads are going to run stop signs, etc.
I have ACC/Safety. A driver came out from a completely obscured drive way without stopping and tried to make a left turn in front of me.
Before I could even react...my Rubi slammed to a complete stop. I got a bruise from the seat belt! I have an aftermarket steel bumper with a winch/stinger. I probably would have punched a hole right through that driver's door. By the way, the other driver didn't even slow down.
The ACC paid for itself in many ways that day!

 

[Dogboyslim]

For those looking for info on these types of system in general, the IIHS is reviewing them and will now start rating them (not yet for the wrangler). See here.

The relevant overview of technology, quoted from this article:

Front crash prevention is part of a larger group of crash avoidance features spreading through the U.S. vehicle fleet. Marketed under various trade names, system capabilities vary by manufacturer and model, and most are offered as optional add-ons. In general, current front crash prevention systems fall into two categories: forward collision warning and front crash mitigation or prevention with autobrake.

Forward collision warning alerts a driver when the system detects that the vehicle is about to crash into the vehicle in front, but the system doesn't slow down or stop the vehicle. Some forward collision warning systems are combined with an autobrake system to reduce vehicle speeds in a crash, but they aren't designed to avoid the collision. Acura's Collision Mitigation Brake System is an example.

Other autobrake systems can slow down or completely stop the car to avoid some front-to-rear crashes if its driver doesn't brake or steer out of the way in response to a warning. Like the Acura system, these will reduce the speed of those crashes they can't prevent. Cadillac's Automatic Collision Preparation and Volvo's Collision Warning with Full Auto Brake and Pedestrian Detection combined with City Safety are examples.

Another design difference involves whether the vehicle ahead is stopped or moving. All of the front crash prevention systems that earn a superior or advanced rating from IIHS are capable of braking for a stopped or slower-moving vehicle. Some other systems are designed to brake for a stopped car ahead only if sensors first detect the car moving before it stops. The 2013 BMW 3 series sedan is available with this type of system. It gets a basic rating for front crash prevention.

"The point of autobrake systems is to help inattentive drivers avoid rear-ending another car," Zuby explains. "It's clear that the ability to automatically brake for both stopped and moving vehicles prevents the most crashes."

The last comment is the best summary. Its to help you, not to be responsible for all braking.

 

[rommel102]

Manuverability in an emergency is important...I don't want the brakes kicking in when I am not ready for them. Speaking of manuverability ...I haven't tested it on the jl yet but on my challenger if the stability control and traction control were on it greatly reduced manuverability. Living around lots of kids this was bad in case you had to avoid a kid running into the street or a ball coming from a driveway. I am curious if disabling it in the jl will do the same.

This is literally the exact situation that FCW was designed to address. The most attentive driver with the quickest reflexes on the planet cannot anticipate all of the illogical and dumb things other people will do. A kid doesn't pay attention and runs out in front of your car with only 10 feet to spare, by the time you say "oh sh**" its too late. Maybe with the automated system kicking in they have a chance.

All you need to do is watch any of the driving fail videos on the internet to realize that the problem is not YOU, it is OTHER PEOPLE.

Case in point example.

 

[Axlenut]

It’s a safety feature, that’s all....protects you from an unplanned event. If none of those ever happen in your life, then quit wearing seat belts, bike helmets, drive your motorcycle in gym shorts and flip flops, and don’t put your safety on in your gun, because you are good to go.

 

[BrntWS6]

Seat belts should not be mandatory, never worn a bike helmet, motorcycles are gay and none of my guns have a safety on them.....lol

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