2024 4xe is disappointing... gets no range increase

[JeepViking13]

I agree 100%, 50 mile PHEV range would have been perfect for most people......

Exactly. I know a PHEV is not full electric only and it does save a ton on gas but I think a big part of the charm is being able to run on full electric locally. Since I live 20 miles+ from everything 21 miles on full electric mode just doest cut it. Especially for the price. 50 miles on full electric mode would at least make sense because then I can go to where I need to go locally and make it back without using gas. And the get 49mpg with gas on longer out of town trips.

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[JeepViking13]

The answer is yes to your question regarding the 35’s. They come via the optional Rubicon X package:

• 12-way power adjustable front seats
• 12.3-inch digital touchscreen with navigation
• Nine-speaker premium Alpine audio system
• Nappa leather seats
• Heated seats and steering wheel
• Acoustic front glass, thicker carpet and additional sound deadening foam
• ParkSense rear park-assist system
• Blind-spot Monitoring and Rear Cross Path detection
• Steel bumpers
• Integrated front off-road camera
• Body-color fender flares and hardtop
• Xtreme 35 Package (when equipped with automatic transmission)

So Rubicon X will be available for the 4xe? Can't wait to see how much that sucker costs. Bend over.

Be interesting to see if it still get 21 miles full electric and 49mpg with gas. The point of a PHEV is to save money with getting better gas mileage. But if you pay $60k++ for a vehicle are you really saving money? ?

 

[BXFXJeep]

So Rubicon X will be available for the 4xe? Can't wait to see how much that sucker costs. Bend over.

Be interesting to see if it still get 21 miles full electric and 49mpg with gas. The point of a PHEV is to save money with getting better gas mileage. But if you pay $60k++ for a vehicle are you really saving money? ?

The 4xe does not get anywhere close to 49mpg, it's more like around 20mpg or less, also the point of a PHEV is not better gas mileage, the point of a PHEV is, it has the ability to use electric instead of gas, usually for lower speed city driving, basically if the majority of your trips will exhaust the electric range, then a PHEV is not a good idea financially.

The idea of the PHEV, is if you do a lot of short trips, you have the ability to use electric, so the more you drive on electric, the less gas you will use.

The PHEV pitch is more morality, not economical, so it's not so much savings at the pump, as much as it is using less gas by driving on electric.

For me the 4xe is very economical, for some of us the financial benefit can be significant, but some people use the economical angle to lure people to buy PHEVs(EVs).

Granted some people don't care about the electric range, since they are after the added benefit of more HP/Torque, along the same lines of people adding aftermarket turbos etc.

 

[dshark1]

The battery isn't smaller, it's twice the capacity of the Niro battery. It can't get any bigger without making huge sacrifices to passenger comfort and cargo space and payload capacity.

There's nothing wrong with wanting what you want. I'd love to go on a date with Megan Fox. But it's totally unrealistic to get that with today's available battery technology, and Megan Fox won't return my phone calls. So it is what it is. You can't have a 6,000 pound solid axle rock crawler that gets comparable kWh/mile economy to a small Korean commuter car.

Maybe someday we'll have battery tech with exponentially more energy density than the batteries we've got now, but we're likely years or decades away from that. And even when that day does come, people will still cry about how the 2035 Wrangler 4xe only gets 5,000 miles on a charge, while the 2035 Kia Niro gets 12,000 miles on a charge.

Don’t feel bad, Jennifer Aniston has not returned a single call of mine either!

 

[JeepViking13]

The 4xe does not get anywhere close to 49mpg, it's more like around 20mpg or less, also the point of a PHEV is not better gas mileage, the point of a PHEV is, it has the ability to use electric instead of gas, usually for lower speed city driving, basically if the majority of your trips will exhaust the electric range, then a PHEV is not a good idea financially.

The idea of the PHEV, is if you do a lot of short trips, you have the ability to use electric, so the more you drive on electric, the less gas you will use.

The PHEV pitch is more morality, not economical, so it's not so much savings at the pump, as much as it is using less gas by driving on electric.

For me the 4xe is very economical, for some of us the financial benefit can be significant, but some people use the economical angle to lure people to buy PHEVs(EVs).

Granted some people don't care about the electric range, since they are after the added benefit of more HP/Torque, along the same lines of people adding aftermarket turbos etc.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the 4xe gets 49 mpg in hybrid mode, 20 mpg in straight gas mode and 21 miles total in just electric only mode?

 

[PatriotX]

Any ideas as to where they would put larger battery on the JL?

There is also a thing called the Tyranny of the Rocket Equation that applies to battery-powered vehicles.

The more battery that's added, the more battery NEEDS to be added to offset the weight penalty.

More energy-dense cells, or lighter arrays are the ticket. More cells? Meh.

 

[PatriotX]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the 4xe gets 49 mpg in hybrid mode, 20 mpg in straight gas mode and 21 miles total in just electric only mode?

It gets 49mpgE, a measure of efficiency that's confusing and a bit misleading.

It would travel 49 miles on the electric equivalent of a gallon of gas, 33.7kWh.

The 4Xe has a battery roughly half that, and it uses 80% of that in daily use. There's the 21 mile range.

Confused yet?

I am happy with the 375hp and 470 ft/lbs, and approx 6mpg better than a gasser in my use case.

Your mileage may literally vary.

 

[Paluss]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the 4xe gets 49 mpg in hybrid mode, 20 mpg in straight gas mode and 21 miles total in just electric only mode?

I believe you are correct, but the hybrid mode only last the length of the battery so on a long trip say 300 miles 250 miles will be at the 20 or less MPG

 

[Wbino]

IMHO.
PHEV's are/were a requirement because of auto batteries being in their infancy, once batteries become stronger having a engine to lug along will seem ridiculous.

 

[JeepViking13]

I believe you are correct, but the hybrid mode only last the length of the battery so on a long trip say 300 miles 250 miles will be at the 20 or less MPG

I though it recharges itself in hybrid mode like all other non plug in hybrids do? Only time the battery should totally die is when you use full electric mode only.

 

[JeepViking13]

It gets 49mpgE, a measure of efficiency that's confusing and a bit misleading.

It would travel 49 miles on the electric equivalent of a gallon of gas, 33.7kWh.

The 4Xe has a battery roughly half that, and it uses 80% of that in daily use. There's the 21 mile range.

Confused yet?

I am happy with the 375hp and 470 ft/lbs, and approx 6mpg better than a gasser in my use case.

Your mileage may literally vary.

Yes. I'm definitely confused. So you don't get 49mpg the entire 370 mile trip in Hybrid mode?

 

[PatriotX]

Yes. I'm definitely confused. So you don't get 49mpg the entire 370 mile trip in Hybrid mode?

That can't be a real question, looking at what you've already posted in this thread.

How's the Bronco?

 

[GrayWolf.Overland]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the 4xe gets 49 mpg in hybrid mode, 20 mpg in straight gas mode and 21 miles total in just electric only mode?

Apparently the hybrid mode is not like what you see in Prius/RAV4.. It exhausts the battery first then becomes some kinda mild hybrid that uses reserve capacity in the battery to provide the HP and torque boost where needed. So the combined mpg rating of 49 is sort of averaging out how many ever miles you got on electric only driving. (x electric miles + y hybrid miles / across fuel used)

Even in the post battery deplete hybrid mode, you end up getting punchy torque from the electric motor assist..but all that weight baring down on the puny 2.0L drives down the mpg to 19-20mpg post battery depletion.

I got this assumed wrong too.. until some 4xe folks in the forum made this clear in an earlier thread last month. I assumed the motor will have no effect after battery is below 1% - which is not the case. The regen braking and other stuff puts a little charge into the battery and the reserve capacity makes it operate like a hybrid.

 

[rcadden]

I predict the future BEV Wrangler will finally eliminate the solid axle design. Jeep will go with 2 or 4 electric motors, independent suspension and half shafts driving each wheel.

Yes, die hard Wrangler fans will protest but will adapt over time. The 90% of Wrangler buyers who never see dirt will love the civilized ride and handling.

Not much to predict - they've been building iterations in public for the past three years. See: Jeep Magneto.

But I think you're right - Magneto is just testing the powertrain. You know that team is looking at Rivian and others. For the vast majority of what people use Jeeps for, solid axle is a complete waste. Similar to the fold-down windshield.

 

[BXFXJeep]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the 4xe gets 49 mpg in hybrid mode, 20 mpg in straight gas mode and 21 miles total in just electric only mode?

Not 49MPG, it's 49MPGe

49MPGe is something like you can go 49 miles with 33kWh charge, the Wrangler has something like 13/14kWh so you get 21 miles of range.

The Hybrid setting means you will use electric if the battery is charged, with no charge you are sorta mild hybrid when the gas motor is running.

The 3 button modes Hybrid, electric, and eSave are just ways to control the throttle tolerance of the 4xe, electric mode means more pedal is required for the gas to kick in vs Hybrid mode, eSave means the gas engine will come, and there are settings to decide is you want to save the battery, or "charge" it, the latter is sorta of a waste of time and gas.

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