2024 4xe is disappointing... gets no range increase

[pyrowolf]

OK, I'll point out the obvious, this is why your 4Xe is twice as expensive as a Nero

C'mon man - that isn't what I meant and you know it.

It's not just twice as expensive, it's half the hybrid at twice the cost. The hybrid functionality is worse, the battery is smaller, and it's twice as expensive.

Don't get me wrong - I absolutely LOVE my Jeep. I just wish it had at least features on par with PHEV's that are half of the price.

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[C.Sco]

C'mon man - that isn't what I meant and you know it.

It's not just twice as expensive, it's half the hybrid at twice the cost. The hybrid functionality is worse, the battery is smaller, and it's twice as expensive.

Don't get me wrong - I absolutely LOVE my Jeep. I just wish it had at least features on par with PHEV's that are half of the price.

The battery isn't smaller, it's twice the capacity of the Niro battery. It can't get any bigger without making huge sacrifices to passenger comfort and cargo space and payload capacity.

There's nothing wrong with wanting what you want. I'd love to go on a date with Megan Fox. But it's totally unrealistic to get that with today's available battery technology, and Megan Fox won't return my phone calls. So it is what it is. You can't have a 6,000 pound solid axle rock crawler that gets comparable kWh/mile economy to a small Korean commuter car.

Maybe someday we'll have battery tech with exponentially more energy density than the batteries we've got now, but we're likely years or decades away from that. And even when that day does come, people will still cry about how the 2035 Wrangler 4xe only gets 5,000 miles on a charge, while the 2035 Kia Niro gets 12,000 miles on a charge.

 

[martoaj]

Seriously - what is Jeep's aversion to adding more battery to the 4xE? I would keep buying them if they would just add more EV range, even if it was an "extended range" upgrade like most other EVs. 20 miles with their terrible regenerative recharge system is ridiculous.

My wife has a Kia Nero PHEV and the hybrid system in the Nero makes the 4xE seem like a joke -- and the Nero was half the price of my Jeep and has 50% more EV range and once your EV runs out and swaps over to hybrid the Nero still gets like 50MPG.

C'mon Jeep give me SOMETHING here. I really don't want to swap to a pure EV yet, especially with how I use my 4xE, but they're almost forcing me to look at the lightning or a R1T if I want to maintain off-road capability with more EV range at low temps and some modicum of basic towing.

2024 is only the 3rd model year of the 4xe. They weren't going to rework the hybrid system or add more battery this quickly after its initial launch, even if they could.

We all know the 4xe doesn't have a lot of EV range. And it never will given the limitations of adding a PHEV system to the existing Wrangler chassis. But comparing a ~5500 lb SUV to a Kia Nero is just ... well it just doesn't make any sense.

 

[ratherbskiing]

Does the 4XE get the option for XR/35's in 2024? I can't seem to find that answer anywhere. How about the new rear axle on the rubicons? Or is the full float only with 35's?

 

[TheNewGuy]

C'mon man - that isn't what I meant and you know it.

It's not just twice as expensive, it's half the hybrid at twice the cost. The hybrid functionality is worse, the battery is smaller, and it's twice as expensive.

Don't get me wrong - I absolutely LOVE my Jeep. I just wish it had at least features on par with PHEV's that are half of the price.

I dont know it.
C'mon, its twice as expensive before you add the battery. Comparing an economy car (Kona) with a Wrangler is not a fair comparison to start with.

 

[MaximusW]

Does the 4XE get the option for XR/35's in 2024? I can't seem to find that answer anywhere. How about the new rear axle on the rubicons? Or is the full float only with 35's?

The answer is yes to your question regarding the 35’s. They come via the optional Rubicon X package:

• 12-way power adjustable front seats
• 12.3-inch digital touchscreen with navigation
• Nine-speaker premium Alpine audio system
• Nappa leather seats
• Heated seats and steering wheel
• Acoustic front glass, thicker carpet and additional sound deadening foam
• ParkSense rear park-assist system
• Blind-spot Monitoring and Rear Cross Path detection
• Steel bumpers
• Integrated front off-road camera
• Body-color fender flares and hardtop
• Xtreme 35 Package (when equipped with automatic transmission)

 

[devster]

The 21 mile range is definitely a head scratcher. For me to even consider an EV it has to at least go 150 miles full electric. I live 20 miles from everything it would be pointless for my needs.

For you, it might be. I don't have a 4xe, but I considered it. My commute to work is 6 miles, door-to-door. I only need to go in 2x-3x per week. I am averaging 500 miles per month in my Willys. I, personally, am a perfect match for this. I could drive it and NEVER USE GAS. If we go on a trip, we would take the wife's highlander. We did take the jeep on a trip and averaged 22mpg. For a 4xe, it sounds like a long trip is similar or worse because of all the extra weight. I don't think that's a good use of this vehicle. Short trips are great.
The 4xe is a $50,000 golf cart if you don't need to use gasoline.
It also seems crazy [and I'm willing to do it] to spend $50,000 on something to go to and from work when I could purchase a $6,000 used NIssan leaf. But that's not the conversation.

 

[Beachcomber72]

The Wrangler is an electric guzzler just like it is a gas guzzler.

The Nero has a 11kWh, the 4xe 17kWh.

The Wrangler is over 5,000lbs, the Nero is under 3,500lbs

I'm not sure where they can stuff more battery.

Sure more range would be nice, but it is what it is.

Im not sold on the idea that it takes more battery or batteries. Modern technology battery wise is quite incredible, most can do way more than advertised specs but they get programmed to not go further or last longer. I ran across an incredible battery company when researching a good battery for off grid camping for a small trailer and found a company producing a lion battery called the lion 1300, the specs on it are something I’ve never seen or heard in my life and it’s a single battery that has a 100% guaranteed 10 year warranty and 10 year charge hold that will power incredible amounts of electronics for days and days and it’s about the weight of a small watermelon. Check it out.

 

[Canucklesammich]

Heard of the EV Hummer? 1k hp, 329 miles claimed range, lotsa trick options. Sounds terrific. Except it's over $110k, weighs over 9k lbs and reliability is...amusing; check out TFL's experiences on YT with them. Maybe Stellantis is waiting for the Lightning, Hummer & Rivian to work out the kinks/bad PR before jumping all in.

 

[ras815]

C'mon Jeep give me SOMETHING here.

They did do something - they added the ability to use the 4xE battery as an on-board 30amp AC power source. That's a nice enhancement.

 

[Kyanche]

If you made an aerodynamic bubble vehicle with the independent suspension and wheel motors, it could probably be incredibly good off road. Plus you wouldn't need the big space currently occupied by the engine.

But what's the fun in that? Something that looks like an offroading canoo?

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b8/ee/b8/b8eeb8c6e8e047d4d8b9a812c4f53c2d.jpg

Admittedly they do kinda look cool...

 

[Asuriyan]

Im not sold on the idea that it takes more battery or batteries. Modern technology battery wise is quite incredible, most can do way more than advertised specs but they get programmed to not go further or last longer.

There is an engineering reason for that. Li-Ion and Li-Pol are 'happiest' (most chemically stable) between 15% and 85% charge state, and outside that range they degrade faster. Fully depleting one is bad for it in much the same way as deep-cycling is bad for a lead acid automotive battery. So, you have a buffer of maybe 5-10% on the low end of the scale, and at the high end, outlet charging slows down for the last few percent to reduce heat and wear.

So, yes, they could probably get 5 more miles out of the existing 4xe batteries... but you'd be buying new ones once a year.

 

[Sublime]

Funny how people buy certain vehicles because of their characteristics but are then shocked to find out those characteristics make them not as good as other vehicles without those characteristics.

 

[Paluss]

I can see that. For me I would just want more range. That's all.

I agree 100%, 50 mile PHEV range would have been perfect for most people......

 

[mini2nut]

25% of new Wranglers sold are 4xe. This was Jeep dipping its toe in the BEV pool.

That told Jeep product planners that the buying public is ready for a BEV Wrangler. It’s coming folks.

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