2.0L not available for orders?

[Jeep Wick]

You will love it. The two engines are far too close in performance to get all hung up on which one is better. The differences are very minor.

I have a 2.0 turbo VW and the 3.6 in the Wrangler. I love both motors. The major difference for me was getting the manual transmission. In 2020, it was the easy pick. I don't mind the clutch, but with the latest software updates I would probably get the automatic now. Sad to say that, but at least both engines are good.

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[3TV]

I'll go ahead and add my perspective here. I've owned a JLUR with the 2.0T, 3.6, and 392 engines. I personally think they are all fine engines. The 392 is more fun, but that isn't what this thread is about.

What I've experienced in the Rocky Mountains where I live is that the 2.0T will pull long steep grades on the highway easier than the 3.6. The 3.6 is easier to drive off road though. I didn't really have problems with either drivetrain in the super technical terrain. You can feather the throttle with either engine (auto trans) easily enough. But in less technical terrain, such as narrow two track roads that are very steep, the 2.0T has an annoying trait. It will bog when you first give it the gas, then when the turbo hits it will surge, and the transmission upshifts 2 or three gears (low range). So you let off the gas because you don't want to be going that fast. And then, when you give it the gas again it bogs because it is in too high of a gear and has no boost at that point. So you give it even more gas, and it down shifts two or three gears, about the time the turbo hits. And it repeats the process all over again. I found that putting the auto transmission in manual mode really helps, but doesn't completely stop this cycling.

 

[HK1s]

I'll go ahead and add my perspective here. I've owned a JLUR with the 2.0T, 3.6, and 392 engines. I personally think they are all fine engines. The 392 is more fun, but that isn't what this thread is about.

What I've experienced in the Rocky Mountains where I live is that the 2.0T will pull long steep grades on the highway easier than the 3.6. The 3.6 is easier to drive off road though. I didn't really have problems with either drivetrain in the super technical terrain. You can feather the throttle with either engine (auto trans) easily enough. But in less technical terrain, such as narrow two track roads that are very steep, the 2.0T has an annoying trait. It will bog when you first give it the gas, then when the turbo hits it will surge, and the transmission upshifts 2 or three gears (low range). So you let off the gas because you don't want to be going that fast. And then, when you give it the gas again it bogs because it is in too high of a gear and has no boost at that point. So you give it even more gas, and it down shifts two or three gears, about the time the turbo hits. And it repeats the process all over again. I found that putting the auto transmission in manual mode really helps, but doesn't completely stop this cycling.

For off road scenario even with just the 2.72 low range. I find there is plenty of torque with the 3.6, always a jolt when I touch the gas. and I rarely ever rev it high into the torque curve. the 2.0 is certainly a pavement motor well suited for the Sahara. there is also 0 difference in terms of fuel economy. At least with the 2 door, I do not feel it lack in acceleration.

did a few red light 0-60 runs. its constantly 6.8 seconds. When I test drove the 2.0t rebicon. dealer sales said boost to 4k and let go. for sure it accelerated harder.

With the 3.6 its easy to accelerate to 100mph on highway when passing at which point it feels scary, I can't imagine how fast the 2.0t accelerates above 60mph because this is constantly mentioned by others.

 

[Heimkehr]

there is also 0 difference in terms of fuel economy.

There's no difference between the 2.0T's fuel economy, and the V6? ? Wouldn't the latter's two additional mouths to feed have some measurable effect here?

I can't imagine how fast the 2.0t accelerates above 60mph because this is constantly mentioned by others.

It accelerates very well for what it is. I'm recurringly impressed. ?

 

[jeepoch]

There's no difference between the 2.0T's fuel economy, and the V6? ? Wouldn't the latter's two additional mouths to feed have some measurable effect here?

James,

It's not just the number of cylinders but also the piston displacement volume. But far outweighing either of those is the throttle demand.

We all know that everyone who drives the turbo has a heavier foot. They just absolutely like the turbo boost. And clearly you certainly don't accomplish that without some amount of 'gunning' it.

So the 2.0L jocks tend to negate any fuel savings they would naturally achieve by not petering around like grandma driving to church on Sunday. Very (very) few would ever not engage the turbo.

The 3.6L pilots get a more balanced and smooth acceleration without the aide of any 'boost'. So they tend to be less aggressive at any launch. They're naturally not 'punching' it. They don't have the same mindset.

Obviously, you get far worse fuel economy during a quicker acceleration. My observation is that it's way too hard to be more measured with the turbo. You just have to engage it at every single opportunity. 'Pedal to the metal' is the mantra of almost every turbo owner. It's fun. But at a cost in fuel consumption.

If you didn't have to accelerate, certainly the constant velocity or idling advantage goes to the four banger. But overall, advantage to the six cylinder for more smoother and consistent power throughout the entire move profile.

Now imagine if they provided a forced air enable mode via a pushbutton switch, (especially if the default behavior was to leave the 2.0L normally aspirated by default). That switch would be pressed more often than the ESS disable. People would lose there minds trying to defeat it as fast as friggin possible. They'd likely spend thousands of dollars in ripping it out of their rigs even before they drove it home for the first time.

Oh crap! I just gave the EPA morons another idea. Sorry.

On the bright side, Joe @ Z Automotive could likely buy another mansion (or several). Sales of the Tazer providing a permanent Turbo Enable would make him and his company rich beyond their wildest dreams. You're welcome Joe...

Best Regards,
Jay

 

[dstevens]

2.0T should have better fuel efficiency because of direct injection and a smaller displacement engine with less ring and other friction as well as lower pumping losses. Also a turbo is more efficient at compressing air than the piston in the engine - as in a miller cycle engine.

In practice I've found that 2.0T can be better than the V6 by a fair margin (usually under light load) but can also be much worse than the V6, depending on driving conditions.

My lifetime fuel economy is about the same for both engines - around 16.7 mpg. I only do highway driving and off road. No daily driving and only city driving when necessary. Both vehicles on 35s but the V6 had MTs and the 2.0T has ATs, so perhaps the V6 was better. The 2.0T is a lot faster however.

 

[ellunchboxo]

Hi everyone, I’ve been looking to order a 2 door Sport S for a few weeks now. I’ve reached out to several dealers (some out of state as well) and two got back to me today with the same responses. They’re saying Jeep isn’t offering the 2.0L for orders anymore due to supplier issues. Apparently it’s been that way for a few months now. They said I would have to go with the 3.6L or they can put me on a waiting list. Should that stop me from ordering or should I go ahead with the 3.6L? I did do some reading about the two engines. I have an old car that’s paid off that I’m keeping so the Jeep won’t be my everyday transportation. I’ll probably take it off roading every once in a while, nothing too serious. Mainly city and highway driving. I’d appreciate any inputs. This will also be my first Jeep. ?

I ordered a 2door Willys on Nov. 24th and the 2.0 was not available to order. Had to get the 3.6.

 

[Muhree]

I ordered a 2door Willys on Nov. 24th and the 2.0 was not available to order. Had to get the 3.6.

Have you gotten a scheduled date yet?

 

[ellunchboxo]

Have you gotten a scheduled date yet?

Not yet. Will be 4 weeks Monday with no movement.

 

[Muhree]

Not yet. Will be 4 weeks Monday with no movement.

The dealership I placed the order with told me they’ve been seeing between 12-29 weeks. It was placed on 12/15 so it hasn’t been long but I’ve been checking everyday.

 

[ellunchboxo]

The dealership I placed the order with told me they’ve been seeing between 12-29 weeks. It was placed on 12/15 so it hasn’t been long but I’ve been checking everyday.

My guy told me 3 months. We'll see. I'm in Louisiana so shipping will take a while.

 

[Muhree]

My guy told me 3 months. We'll see. I'm in Louisiana so shipping will take a while.

Did you go with a dealer out of state?

 

[ellunchboxo]

Did you go with a dealer out of state?

No. The dealer is 500 yards from my house.

 

[Muhree]

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No. The dealer is 500 yards from my house.

Oh wow, lucky. Congrats on your new Jeep!

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