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Keep in mind that the factory tow package has all the wiring done AND includes the 4 position AUX panel switches installed and wired up in the cabin.Steel bumper is one thing I was thinking of doing after market. That is one thing that really differentiates all the Wranglers out there... so go pick a cool looking one.
My thinking is... I can get a rear one that has a beefy rear tire carrier and a tow hitch built in. So I'd be saving myself on getting the tow package from factory.
Or more correctly, service departments are skilled in ripping people off. Always trained to upsell you at every stop. That's why I change my own oil and do basic filter and part changes. I usually only go back to the dealer for warranty work or electronic/OBD computer needs.no money is a figure of speech...but one thing everybody agrees on is...dealers are NOTHING without the service dept.
I thought the diesel only came with Auto tranny. They can’t charge you $2K for the 8 speed, I believe.Here's my best guess for a JLU Rubicon, fully optioned, with a diesel. I took some of the info from the Ram site some from the JK build and price.
Grand total: $56370.
- $40,195 - 2019 JLU Rubicon
- $4,270 - 3.0L EcoDiesel (From Ram site)
- $2000 - 8-Speed auto
- $1495 - Leather trimmed seats group
- $1295 - Electronics/Infotainment group
- $1250 - Cold weather group (This is a guess)
- $795 - Safety group
- $895 - LED group
- $795 - Trailer group
- $2185 - Dual tops group (from JKU)
- $1195 - Delivery charge
That's pretty pricey for any car, let alone a Wrangler. Maybe we can hope that the diesel upgrade isn't the same price as the Ram.
You have MSRP, Dealer Invoice and then Dealer Cost. No one other than the dealer knows what its true cost is for that vehicle. There are hold-backs and manufacturer incentives (sales goals) that will never be discussed with customers. It is true that if you catch a desperate dealer at the right time, you can get an awesome sub-invoice deal. However, I guarantee the dealer is making money somewhere - it may not be on that vehicle, but somewhere...Invoice price: The dealers most certainly make more than ~$1500 on a vehicle. According to the prices in this thread (at the time of this writing we only have the 2 door Rubicon MSRP and invoice prices) https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/fo...-price-w-invoice-sport-s-sahara-rubicon.2388/. The difference for that 2 door Rubicon (no options) is $36,995 MSRP minus invoice $35,250, that's only $1745 profit assuming you pay MSRP. (Which you should never do). Damn near everyone on the planet knows to shop invoice price and often are able to buy below invoice. The dealers are not giving cars and trucks and Jeeps away at a loss. There are hold-backs and other incentives the dealer receives from the factory. Is the invoice price really the invoice price? I am skeptical. I think invoice has no meaning because everyone knows that's the target price, invoice has become MSRP to a large extent. Yes the dealership can make money off a sale in other ways, but do not think they are loosing money even when they sell below invoice. When I buy a new vehicle, it rarely if ever sees a dealer again, only if I have warranty issues, and I'm happy to report my 2014 JKUR has had no issues. So the dealer makes no money off me after the sale.
I spend 0 time trying to figure out how much money a dealer has in a vehicle.You have MSRP, Dealer Invoice and then Dealer Cost. No one other than the dealer knows what its true cost is for that vehicle. There are hold-backs and manufacturer incentives (sales goals) that will never be discussed with customers. It is true that if you catch a desperate dealer at the right time, you can get an awesome sub-invoice deal. However, I guarantee the dealer is making money somewhere - it may not be on that vehicle, but somewhere...
So the grand total of that will be $54370.I thought the diesel only came with Auto tranny. They can’t charge you $2K for the 8 speed, I believe.
Dealer cost is Invoice, yes, invoice, - hold back HB on the Rubicon POC so 43019-1331 = $41682 True cost to the dealer. Then you have to add in "pack" costs. This is paying someone to program and PDI the vehicle. And internal costs if the tint it or add some other dealer add. True cost to the dealer on this would be somewhere in the neighborhood of $42000. That's it, there is no hidden, we get more money that you don't see. That's it.You have MSRP, Dealer Invoice and then Dealer Cost. No one other than the dealer knows what its true cost is for that vehicle. There are hold-backs and manufacturer incentives (sales goals) that will never be discussed with customers. It is true that if you catch a desperate dealer at the right time, you can get an awesome sub-invoice deal. However, I guarantee the dealer is making money somewhere - it may not be on that vehicle, but somewhere...
Isn’t the 2018 JLU rubicon 40495 msrp? They will 100% have a model year increase on that as well for the 2019.Here's my best guess for a JLU Rubicon, fully optioned, with a diesel. I took some of the info from the Ram site some from the JK build and price.
Grand total: $56370.
- $40,195 - 2019 JLU Rubicon
- $4,270 - 3.0L EcoDiesel (From Ram site)
- $2000 - 8-Speed auto
- $1495 - Leather trimmed seats group
- $1295 - Electronics/Infotainment group
- $1250 - Cold weather group (This is a guess)
- $795 - Safety group
- $895 - LED group
- $795 - Trailer group
- $2185 - Dual tops group (from JKU)
- $1195 - Delivery charge
That's pretty pricey for any car, let alone a Wrangler. Maybe we can hope that the diesel upgrade isn't the same price as the Ram.
And used car sales.We make money on F&I service and parts. And, hopefully referral business.
See this i don't et becasue the first hread here says the 4 dr cost is 40495Dealer cost is Invoice, yes, invoice, - hold back HB on the Rubicon POC so 43019-1331 = $41682 True cost to the dealer. Then you have to add in "pack" costs. This is paying someone to program and PDI the vehicle. And internal costs if the tint it or add some other dealer add. True cost to the dealer on this would be somewhere in the neighborhood of $42000. That's it, there is no hidden, we get more money that you don't see. That's it.
I was using the posted Rubicon price breakdown vehicle as the example.so what is the best guess for the tread lightly program in terms of actual dollars on a 4 dr rubcion Is it 1 % below msrp 5% below msrp I know it is 1% above invoice . BUT I don't know what invoice is?
See this i don't et becasue the first hread here says the 4 dr cost is 40495
Please explain. Thanks