5W 30 versus 0W 20

[CarbonSteel]

I said something similar to what you just said on BITOG and I got banned for the second time, the ban reason was for spreading false information. That forum is crazy

Not sure of the context, but facts are facts... No approvals or certs speaks for itself.

That does not mean it's not good oil, it just means they did not pay OR go through the battery of tests to obtain any approvals or certifications.

In my book, that says something without saying it!

Amsoil does the same thing with the exception of their cheapest oil which is API certified.

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[Jeep Junkie]

Not sure of the context, but facts are facts... No approvals or certs speaks for itself.

That does not mean it's not good oil, it just means they did not pay to obtain any approvals or certifications.

In my book, that says something without saying it!

Amsoil does the same thing with the exception of their cheapest oil which is API certified.

Thinking of selling it on Facebook Marketplace

 

[grimmjeeper]

Suitable, Recommended for, Works with, Use in place of... are all just "weasel words" that mean NOTHING.

If an oil does not state an approval using the format of the OEM it is approved for OR does not have the API seal with SN, SN+, SP, etc., then it is not an oil that has approvals.

This means use at your own risk. I am not saying the oil is "bad", but why on earth would anyone pay that price for an unapproved oil, when they are COUNTLESS oils on the shelf that DO have approvals and will have your engine running just as long.

There is a $hit ton of marketing out there...

 

[CarbonSteel]

Thinking of selling it on Facebook Marketplace

You'll just lose money. Just run it since you have it and then switch to a commercial off the shelf oil.

Your engine will never know the difference.

 

[Jeep Junkie]

You'll just lose money. Just run it since you have it and then switch to a commercial off the shelf oil.

Your engine will never know the difference.

 

[Terrymo]

I use Penzoil Ultra Platinum 5w30 changed every 3000 miles and Chevron 91 octane. I have a 3.6 so it’s probably going to blow up anyway.

 

[Heimkehr]

Thinking of selling it on Facebook Marketplace

Consider blending it 50/50 with the same viscosity of the Pennzoil that you claim to like. 2.5 quarts of each brand at each oil change, until the black bottles are used up. This should buy you a little peace of mind.

As suggested, you'd likely have to take a huge loss to convince a Facebook buyer to purchase oil that looks like it's sold at Dollar General.

 

[Flip]

Come on! Be honest here. You're worried about high engine temps aren't you? The Rpm fan controller is what you seek bro. I promise, after it's installed, you'll feel right as rain.

 

[Wabujitsu]

Suitable, Recommended for, Works with, Use in place of... are all just "weasel words" that mean NOTHING.

If an oil does not state an approval using the format of the OEM it is approved for OR does not have the API seal with SN, SN+, SP, etc., then it is not an oil that has approvals.

This means use at your own risk. I am not saying the oil is "bad", but why on earth would anyone pay that price for an unapproved oil, when they are COUNTLESS oils on the shelf that DO have approvals and will have your engine running just as long.

There is a $hit ton of marketing out there...

P.T. Barnum approves.

 

[Jeep Junkie]

Come on! Be honest here. You're worried about high engine temps aren't you? The Rpm fan controller is what you seek bro. I promise, after it's installed, you'll feel right as rain.

Hey does it make the fan come on when you're doing 75 mph and your oil temperature gets to 215? Sometimes my stupid oil temperature gets very high even when I'm at freeway speeds 🫣

 

[Jeep Junkie]

If you post this on BITOG, the staff will ban you. Looks like BITOG is run by HPL and Amsoil, you cannot criticize them there. What a crazy Forum. Here we are pretty chill

 

[grimmjeeper]

If you post this on BITOG, the staff will ban you. Looks like BITOG is run by HPL and Amsoil, you cannot criticize them there. What a crazy Forum. Here we are pretty chill

I'm an OCD engineer so I know what I'm talking about. Way too many people on BITOG are way too anal about oil. I wouldn't want to sign up over there in the first place.

 

[Flip]

Hey does it make the fan come on when you're doing 75 mph and your oil temperature gets to 215? Sometimes my stupid oil temperature gets very high even when I'm at freeway speeds 🫣

Yes, yes it will. After it's installed and you see how much cooler your jeep is running, you'll sleep like an old dog.

 

[Jeep Junkie]

Yes, yes it will. After it's installed and you see how much cooler your jeep is running, you'll sleep like an old dog.

 

[CarbonSteel]

I'm an OCD engineer so I know what I'm talking about. Way too many people on BITOG are way too anal about oil. I wouldn't want to sign up over there in the first place.

I spent several years on the site (2010-2020 or so), and some members are respectable and quite knowledgeable; however, there is far too much "groupthink" on the site. Case in point, HPL has been on the market since 2012 or so, but has been a "darling" only for the last few years on BITOG with everyone gushing about how great it is despite having no approvals or certifications. It may be great oil, but without 3rd party verification and at the price point it has, color me unimpressed. TBT, it comes off as a "hobby" oil versus something that would be used mainstream--it reminds me of the way that Royal Purple started.

The same thing happened around 2012 on BITOG with Purolator oil filters — so much ado about how great they were, only to find out that as people began cutting them open, they discovered that even at low mileage, they were tearing, sometimes in multiple places--yet, the initial consensus was those tears meant little as the oil was still being filtered--except, of course, the oil that was bypassing through the tear.

In the end, and you will see this on BITOG, THIS should be the grain of salt that is taken away--for the most part, oils that carry the same approvals and certifications will perform the same on any given day and to truly see any differences will require very intricate and multi-million dollar testing equipment OR a complete tear-down of the engine to measure wear.

Almost none of us have access to that level of equipment, nor do we want to perform an engine tear-down solely for the sake of quantifying oil performance. Select a suitable synthetic that will maintain its grade during the run, monitor dilution (if applicable) and additive life, establish a baseline, and drive.

In my opinion, it is far better to choose an off-the-shelf, commercially available oil and change it at a decent interval, rather than finding some magic "whiz bang" uber expensive oil and running it for extended intervals.

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