Public charger "protocol"

[The Last Cowboy]

I think you might be forgetting the massive increases over those decades in energy requirements for computers and cloud storage (especially with AI now), eight TV's in every house, more A/C because of higher temperatures for longer periods of time, all compounded by a larger population.

I get that and since the 90s, much of the demand could have been predicted and planned for. Consider that newer appliances and HVAC units are vastly more energy efficient that they were just a couple decades ago.

But I do see what you mean. Urban highways and major streets are completely lit up like daylight now. Billboards are either brightly lit or are now screens themselves.

And let’s not forget an estimated 5 million new residents in the country in the last 3.5 years, with the potential to triple that in the next 4.5 years.

I really considered a solar system, but it would very significantly impact my insurance. Big hail is a thing here. Also, many of those companies operating on grants disappear as fast as they appear. Many of the components are made by who knows who and are imported, mostly from China.

And finally, the utility company no longer compensates for what’s returned to the grid. Almost all solar energy is created during peak hours, and this is a low demand house, one TV, one story, less than 2500 sq ft. So, by all calculations often time I would be producing excess electricity. Those who I know who got a solar system in 00s and 10s, would get compensated for the excess. By the time I was ready to look into one, that incentive was gone.

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The biggest issue is we can't reliably store energy. As a result charging station usage can actually overwhelm the grid, especially during the hot summer months during a heat wave.

So we need:

A reliable energy grid with a lot of energy storage for increased demand when needed
Chargers available in *literally* every parking spot

Until both of those are common place EVs will never take off. I agree with the PHEV taking up a spot pissing off EV users. Making a wrangler a PHEV is completely insane, and it shouldn't exist. The idea of an EV is something highly energy efficient primarily for city use. The 4XE is a brick of wheels with horrendous energy economy, both electric and fuel. The entire concept is blatantly outrageous and makes no sense. The new charger EV weighs almost 3 tons. In what way is that efficient design?


This is marketing at its finest. A completely distorted reality of an all BEV future while creating the most inefficient EVs possible due to American vehicle standards.

I have no idea why some people continue to make blanket statements like overwhelming the grid. Its like they never put any thought into it or question it, or maybe they do just mindlessly accept what their favorite media source spouts without questioning it. Lots of misinformation and ignorant assumptions there. My local gas station could also be overwhelmed if everyone in the neighborhood shows up for gas at the exact same time...but they don't.

Electric demand isn't steady, it varies throughout the day and night. Prior to a high speed charging station being installed, the local utility deems if the distribution system can handle it. I guess you aren't familiar with Time of Use charges some electric utilities charges either. When demand is low, the electric utility charges cheaper rates, for example 10pm-6am on the east coast, or maybe during the afternoon in California when they have excess solar generation.

 

[mwilk012]

I have no idea why some people continue to make blanket statements like overwhelming the grid. Its like they never put any thought into it or question it, or maybe they do just mindlessly accept what their favorite media source spouts without questioning it. Lots of misinformation and ignorant assumptions there. My local gas station could also be overwhelmed if everyone in the neighborhood shows up for gas at the exact same time...but they don't.

Electric demand isn't steady, it varies throughout the day and night. Prior to a high speed charging station being installed, the local utility deems if the distribution system can handle it. I guess you aren't familiar with Time of Use charges some electric utilities charges either. When demand is low, the electric utility charges cheaper rates, for example 10pm-6am on the east coast, or maybe during the afternoon in California when they have excess solar generation.

You clearly don’t understand the numbers. It’s a very simple calculation, it is simply not possible for our current power supply infrastructure to support even 1/3 of vehicles being electric. We would have to start building nuclear plants right now, everywhere, to support a future decades from now where 100% of households have a plug in vehicle.

 

[Tncdrew]

I used to stop about every 250 miles for gas with my TJ, TJ and JK going 1500 miles one way to Florida, or mid west road trips, but I didn't have pixie dust to space my trips out further.

But even then a lot of times I/we would stop every 300 miles to overnight and soak up local action.

But if doing regular 1,000 mile trips is your thing, no one is forcing you to get an EV, if I was doing regular 1,000 mile trips I would not use a Wrangler or EV.

Ok... kinda unrelated, but last year I did a cross-country trip (TN -CA & back) in my 2-dr Wrangler.... talk about having to stop a lot for fuel with that peanut sized tank! OMG!
But I digress...

 

[ads75]

You clearly don’t understand the numbers. It’s a very simple calculation, it is simply not possible for our current power supply infrastructure to support even 1/3 of vehicles being electric. We would have to start building nuclear plants right now, everywhere, to support a future decades from now where 100% of households have a plug in vehicle.

You think everyone is running out to buy new vehicles tomorrow? Do you think every new power plant has to be nuclear? Typically, electric demand drops when most people go to bed, the best time for most people to charge. Have you ever seen an electric demand load curve throughout a day?

 

[Willys41]

I have no idea why some people continue to make blanket statements like overwhelming the grid. Its like they never put any thought into it or question it, or maybe they do just mindlessly accept what their favorite media source spouts without questioning it. Lots of misinformation and ignorant assumptions there. My local gas station could also be overwhelmed if everyone in the neighborhood shows up for gas at the exact same time...but they don't.

Electric demand isn't steady, it varies throughout the day and night. Prior to a high speed charging station being installed, the local utility deems if the distribution system can handle it. I guess you aren't familiar with Time of Use charges some electric utilities charges either. When demand is low, the electric utility charges cheaper rates, for example 10pm-6am on the east coast, or maybe during the afternoon in California when they have excess solar generation.

Here in California there have been times we are told NOT to charge our EVs and to limit our electricity use and we get rolling black outs.
And its only going to get worse.

 

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Here in California there have been times we are told NOT to charge our EVs and to limit our electricity use and we get rolling black outs.
And its only going to get worse.

I am not too familiar with California since I live on the east coast, but are those times during wildfire season? I think the utilities will take lines out of service if they are worried about wildfires, or the lawsuits that come from them. If the utilities take lines out of service, that would mean the ones remaining inservice are stressed that much more, so I could see that happening. And if you live in one of those areas, you are always going to want to be able to leave the area if there is a fire nearby, so a pure EV may not work for them.

 

[Deleted Member RoadNomad]

In my opinion 4xe's have no business using public chargers. They should be reserved for those running pure EV's that without a charge are dead on the roadside.

This is another issue of half baked implementation and piss poor planning by you know who.
I sure 4xe's owners won't agree with this viewpoint but they have a hybrid and can always make it home.

 

[Tncdrew]

I am not too familiar with California since I live on the east coast, but are those times during wildfire season?

Nope, those times are simply during, summer!

 

[ads75]

Nope, those times are simply during, summer!

Isn't that wildfire season in California? Help me out, guy from Tennessee.

 

[mwilk012]

You think everyone is running out to buy new vehicles tomorrow? Do you think every new power plant has to be nuclear? Typically, electric demand drops when most people go to bed, the best time for most people to charge. Have you ever seen an electric demand load curve throughout a day?

Nuclear is by far the safest and most effective source of power. I could start up and shut down a reactor plant with 2 people in about 45 minutes. It is the most environmentally friendly, stable, and efficient option we have.

The problem that you don’t want to address is total volume. When the battery capacity of 100+ million cars exceeds the total capacity of all power plants in America, what are we to do? Go to sleep? Pretend it isn’t true?

 

[mwilk012]

In my opinion 4xe's have no business using public chargers. They should be reserved for those running pure EV's that without a charge are dead on the roadside.

This is another issue of half baked implementation and piss poor planning by you know who.
I sure 4xe's owners won't agree with this viewpoint but they have a hybrid and can always make it home.

Publicly funded chargers shouldn’t exist any more than publicly funded gas stations.

 

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Nuclear is by far the safest and most effective source of power. I could start up and shut down a reactor plant with 2 people in about 45 minutes. It is the most environmentally friendly, stable, and efficient option we have.

The problem that you don’t want to address is total volume. When the battery capacity of 100+ million cars exceeds the total capacity of all power plants in America, what are we to do? Go to sleep? Pretend it isn’t true?

Not doubting the benefits of nuclear, but the commercial one I worked in for 7 years required a lot more than 2 people and 45 minutes to start up.

 

[Tncdrew]

Isn't that wildfire season in California? Help me out, guy from Tennessee.

Yes, the two (summer & wildfire season), in CA are synonymous
I know this as I lived the first 56 of my years there.

 

[mwilk012]

Not doubting the benefits of nuclear, but the commercial one I worked in for 7 years required a lot more than 2 people and 45 minutes to start up.

Too much red tape and slow workers. Shim out, open some valves, flip some switches.

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