Public charger "protocol"

[BXFXJeep]

I agree with solar panels put at $30K I will be dead and gone before I see a savings.
Also with so many people putting solar on there now they are tying to charge a solar tax.

Because the goal is to prevent commoners access to cheap energy and transportation, not about saving the planet.

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[BXFXJeep]

I'm happy to pay a solar tax so that we won't have to paddle a canoe down the streets of Montpelier again anytime soon.

I don't know about your specific flooding, but a lot of urban flooding has to do with utter incompetence and corruption, resulting in the lack of maintenance.

Toronto has the odd flooding, and they quickly reach for the climate emergency excuse, and not the fact they have 10 times more people crammed here than what the city was designed for.

The roads, buses, trains, streetcars, hospitals, schools, are overflowing worse than the the drainage system, but only one is blamed on global warming.

 

[The Last Cowboy]

The biggest issue is we can't reliably store energy. As a result charging station usage can actually overwhelm the grid, especially during the hot summer months during a heat wave.

So we need:

A reliable energy grid with a lot of energy storage for increased demand when needed
Chargers available in *literally* every parking spot

Until both of those are common place EVs will never take off. I agree with the PHEV taking up a spot pissing off EV users. Making a wrangler a PHEV is completely insane, and it shouldn't exist. The idea of an EV is something highly energy efficient primarily for city use. The 4XE is a brick of wheels with horrendous energy economy, both electric and fuel. The entire concept is blatantly outrageous and makes no sense. The new charger EV weighs almost 3 tons. In what way is that efficient design?


This is marketing at its finest. A completely distorted reality of an all BEV future while creating the most inefficient EVs possible due to American vehicle standards.

Part of the whole push for EVs was the theory that a large fleet of privately owned vehicles would become defacto battery storage for the grid. That aspect has been reported on very little.

 

[BXFXJeep]

Part of the whole push for EVs was the theory that a large fleet of privately owned vehicles would become defacto battery storage for the grid. That aspect has been reported on very little.

V2B B2G it's nefarious as it sounds that's why they stopped talking about it.

Go to sleep at night thinking your car is fully charged, only to wake up to the announcement there is a lockdown.

You say screw it you're going to your buddy farm to hang out, but gotcha your car battery is 0%, and your house only gets enough power to watch MSNBC.

 

[2nd 392]

Worst I've seen is an EV parked in a handicap charging spot with no tags or placard.

EV chargers should be in worse parking spots. That will fix it.

They only seem to be the "best parking spots" because they are EV charging, the reality is they are located where they are because of easy access to the power supply.

Some chargers I use are a couple of levels down on a back wall.

So the "best parking spots" are more psychological blind spot than reality

I am sitting here in the hospital with my wife and the EV spots are immediately opposite of the handicap van accessible parking equidistant from the door. Expectant mother parking is further than the Teslas.

Preferred parking for EV charging ?
Y’all See any Chargers ?

93 Y O FIL with a walker and dementia has a Dr. appt. Handicap spots full, the nearest open spot is in the south 40. Park and see if he makes it- he hasn’t. Drop him off and hope he doesn’t wander off by the time I park and get back- he has. Illegally park and take the time to walk him in and sign him in risking a ticket ? Miss the appointment and have to reschedule for possibly the same results next time ?
I’m open to suggestions
He has passed, but my, or your turn could be coming.

 

[Vanburi]

Simply appalling situation with no obvious answer that would appease all parties.

 

[Mike_Hawk]

Because the goal is to prevent commoners access to cheap energy and transportation, not about saving the planet.

No, it's about control. Plain and simple.

 

[Dryver]

Preferred parking for EV charging ?
Y’all See any Chargers ?

93 Y O FIL with a walker and dementia has a Dr. appt. Handicap spots full, the nearest open spot is in the south 40. Park and see if he makes it- he hasn’t. Drop him off and hope he doesn’t wander off by the time I park and get back- he has. Illegally park and take the time to walk him in and sign him in risking a ticket ? Miss the appointment and have to reschedule for possibly the same results next time ?
I’m open to suggestions
He has passed, but my, or your turn could be coming.

The first image doesn't say "EV Parking", it says "Clean Air Vehicle". That could be a hydrogen fuel cell vehicle. Either way, it's just another way to encourage adoption of non-ICE vehicles. In this case, they just don't want to invest in charging infrastructure and encourage long term parking.

 

[The Last Cowboy]

V2B B2G it's nefarious as it sounds that's why they stopped talking about it.

Go to sleep at night thinking your car is fully charged, only to wake up to the announcement there is a lockdown.

You say screw it you're going to your buddy farm to hang out, but gotcha your car battery is 0%, and your house only gets enough power to watch MSNBC.

https://www.virta.global/vehicle-to-grid-v2g

https://www.hivepower.tech/blog/everything-you-need-to-know-about-v1g-v2h-v2b-v2g-and-v2x

Indeed. I believe a lot of people would have a big problem if they knew one of the big plans for widespread EV adoption was a plan for their own vehicle to be supplemental storage for the grid.

You would think that at the very least utility companies would pay to have level 2 chargers installed for each EV sold. And yeah, it would suck if you were anywhere near a hurricane or a blizzard to go out to you car and find it at 5%, when you knew it was 100% last you checked.

 

[Willys41]

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[2nd 392]

The first image doesn't say "EV Parking", it says "Clean Air Vehicle". That could be a hydrogen fuel cell vehicle. Either way, it's just another way to encourage adoption of non-ICE vehicles. In this case, they just don't want to invest in charging infrastructure and encourage long term parking.

Exactly- P C parking/ market manipulation purposes only. I get “expectant mother” , “curbside pickup”, their are even a few “veterans” around. But honesty and courtesy apply, I don’t carry veteran proof….. any form of preferential EV/Clean Air/or Hybrid parking without any purpose otherwise is discriminatory PC BS. I do avoid giving my business to establishments that participate when possible.

 

[2nd 392]

https://www.virta.global/vehicle-to-grid-v2g

https://www.hivepower.tech/blog/everything-you-need-to-know-about-v1g-v2h-v2b-v2g-and-v2x

Indeed. I believe a lot of people would have a big problem if they knew one of the big plans for widespread EV adoption was a plan for their own vehicle to be supplemental storage for the grid.

You would think that at the very least utility companies would pay to have level 2 chargers installed for each EV sold. And yeah, it would suck if you were anywhere near a hurricane or a blizzard to go out to you car and find it at 5%, when you knew it was 100% last you checked.

This applies to home solar also, my back up batteries are drained to 50% daily cutting my “back up” in half. Done in the afternoon after all day to charge, but too late for the ability to recharge. Fortunately, they were at 100% for the multiple hour outage last week. With an Extended outage starting at 50%, results could vary.
Pacific Graft & Extortion can’t reliably keep the power on, but uses your backup.

 

[The Last Cowboy]

This applies to home solar also, my back up batteries are drained to 50% daily cutting my “back up” in half. Done in the afternoon after all day to charge, but too late for the ability to recharge. Fortunately, they were at 100% for the multiple hour outage last week. With an Extended outage starting at 50%, results could vary.
Pacidic Graft & Extortion can’t reliably keep the power on, but uses your backup.

Exactly. And, even here in Texas, the power utilities won't pay you anymore for power that you put back into the grid via solar panels, or cars, or wind turbines.

It seems that the big plan was to hope and pray, even with incentives, that the public would widely adopt these things (sold as new tech) so that there would be no need to invest in increasing the capacity and reliability of the grid.

Well, if they aren't investing in the infrastructure it where is the money going? Here in Texas it's being thrown in a huge hole in the ground, namely wind farms and solar farms. They cost so mush to maintain, (and they are barely being maintained in the name of fiscal performance) that they are having trouble keeping them producing at anywhere near an optimal rate. Now they are installing massive battery farms on rural properties to store power during off peak production.

20 years ago, there were many brand new natural gas power plants built all over the state. They were taken off line during the Obama administration. Now they are scrambling to get them back into working order to supplement only when wind and solar aren't enough. Almost all the coal fired plants have been shut down, and they were very efficient on a cost of fuel to power output ratio.

When we pay our bills to the electric utility, all they should provide in return is highly reliable power delivery. They shouldn't be dabbling in unproven or unreliable tech at our expense. Maintain power producing stations and plants, build more are demand increases, maintain the power distribution and transmission infrastructure. It's not that hard. Power reliability and delivery were not even a real issue decades ago, but these days, somehow, it's a dark art and no one can master it.

 

[2nd 392]

@The Last Cowboy I didn’t get it “to save the planet” ,(or PG&E), I got it for water, no power, no functional well, figured it might as well be a large enough system to keep the fridge, freezer, small appliances, and the lights on. Yep- I took the ~$14K bribe, uhh rebate, err incentive…
tax credit ? Since I didn’t get one buying a gov “chosen” vehicle……
thank you taxpayer.

If I got an EV could they still tell me not to charge it at will, as they now do to EV owners ?

 

[Dryver]

Exactly. And, even here in Texas, the power utilities won't pay you anymore for power that you put back into the grid via solar panels, or cars, or wind turbines.

It seems that the big plan was to hope and pray, even with incentives, that the public would widely adopt these things (sold as new tech) so that there would be no need to invest in increasing the capacity and reliability of the grid.

Well, if they aren't investing in the infrastructure it where is the money going? Here in Texas it's being thrown in a huge hole in the ground, namely wind farms and solar farms. They cost so mush to maintain, (and they are barely being maintained in the name of fiscal performance) that they are having trouble keeping them producing at anywhere near an optimal rate. Now they are installing massive battery farms on rural properties to store power during off peak production.

20 years ago, there were many brand new natural gas power plants built all over the state. They were taken off line during the Obama administration. Now they are scrambling to get them back into working order to supplement only when wind and solar aren't enough. Almost all the coal fired plants have been shut down, and they were very efficient on a cost of fuel to power output ratio.

When we pay our bills to the electric utility, all they should provide in return is highly reliable power delivery. They shouldn't be dabbling in unproven or unreliable tech at our expense. Maintain power producing stations and plants, build more are demand increases, maintain the power distribution and transmission infrastructure. It's not that hard. Power reliability and delivery were not even a real issue decades ago, but these days, somehow, it's a dark art and no one can master it.

I think you might be forgetting the massive increases over those decades in energy requirements for computers and cloud storage (especially with AI now), eight TV's in every house, more A/C because of higher temperatures for longer periods of time, all compounded by a larger population.

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