Fire at Jeep Wrangler storage lot in Toledo

[CWH61]

Creating a new company and a new product in an already regulated industry is brutally difficult...they’ve done well...even if they end up faltering/collapsing they deserve praise for trying. FCA...they can’t even build/deliver a 60yr old product. They can thank their lucky stars on regulatory barrier to entry

Than why buy one? Really, if Jeep sucks so damn much, why even be here? just like to bitch about things?

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[aug0211]

I'm sorry you did not get what you wanted. Tesla can't meet overall production deadlines... like we are going to deliver 2,500 cars in a week. That's how you stay in business. Sorry about YOUR deadline.. but that's a singular your. To make money in the car business you have to deal with the thousands. Remember, Jeep sells more Wranglers in a year than Tesla has ever produced.

To be fair/objective, Jeep is really, rally struggling with the JL roll out. Talking about hitting deadlines is not great timing for them right now

Tons of orders are stacking up. People have been waiting for over 100 days in some cases. Nobody has received a Turbo, yet (exception is 2 employee orders that were placed waaaaaay before general public orders were opened, and manufactured ahead of time). Any turbo that IS built is being sent to a storage facility - and now, that facility caught on fire and at least 20 vehicles were damaged.

Jeep stops taking orders for this model year in July. It's late May, and no turbo consumer orders have been delivered, or even shipped. Yes, many people are doubting Jeep's ability to deliver right now - and there are plenty of facts and statistics to support the doubt. So people are probably a bit sore on the topic. Then, add to that, a storage facility catching on fire, and 20 of them going up in flames - and continued lack of information for people waiting on these orders... and yes, we have a pretty turbulent situation, where complaining is inevitable.

I'm personally starting to consider cancelling my MY '18 order and instead, placing a MY '19 order.

That said, yes, Tesla works in a specialized market compared to FCA/Chrysler/Jeep, and they surely sell fewer vehicles.

I'd love to own a Tesla and a Jeep. How did I get sucked in to this discussion? Is this Tesla or Jeep fires!? :crazy_eyes

 

[jaldeborgh]

Only fuzzy if you're trying to disagree. Numbers don't lie. There are 17 vehicle fires PER HOUR in the US. You're much more likely to be involved in a car fire in a ICE vehicle than in an electric vehicle. Show me your data to the contrary and I will humbly concede.

https://www.nfpa.org/Public-Education/By-topic/Property-type-and-vehicles/Vehicles

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/energy/2013/12/131206-tesla-car-fire-probe/

The universe of electric cars is far smaller, the average age of electric cars is far less, the owner demographic of electric cars is dramatically different. The numbers are not representative of the relative average likelihood of a fire. If you want to compare the Tesla on an apples to apples basis, compare it to $100K luxury cars of the same age. Figures lie and liers figure. As a child I was in a car with a fire, my father had jump started a car that had been sitting for a long period, once running he though the jumper cables under the hood of the car and drove off to charge the battery by driving the car. A couple of miles from home flames started coming out from under the hood. Now that was an older car, not used much and not properly operated. All of these elements would be far less likely to happen to a $100K Tesla.

 

[jaldeborgh]

To be fair/objective, Jeep is really, rally struggling with the JL roll out. Talking about hitting deadlines is not great timing for them right now

Tons of orders are stacking up. People have been waiting for over 100 days in some cases. Nobody has received a Turbo, yet (exception is 2 employee orders that were placed waaaaaay before general public orders were opened, and manufactured ahead of time). Any turbo that IS built is being sent to a storage facility - and now, that facility caught on fire and at least 20 vehicles were damaged.

Jeep stops taking orders for this model year in July. It's late May, and no turbo consumer orders have been delivered, or even shipped. Yes, many people are doubting Jeep's ability to deliver right now - and there are plenty of facts and statistics to support the doubt. So people are probably a bit sore on the topic. Then, add to that, a storage facility catching on fire, and 20 of them going up in flames - and continued lack of information for people waiting on these orders... and yes, we have a pretty turbulent situation, where complaining is inevitable.

I'm personally starting to consider cancelling my MY '18 order and instead, placing a MY '19 order.

That said, yes, Tesla works in a specialized market compared to FCA/Chrysler/Jeep, and they surely sell fewer vehicles.

I'd love to own a Tesla and a Jeep. How did I get sucked in to this discussion? Is this Tesla or Jeep fires!? :crazy_eyes

Okay, a few facts. The JL is shattering all historical sales records only a few months after deliveries began, the reviews on the vehicle have been remarkably positive and how does this compare to the Tesla Model 3 roll out? Check out the queue time, it’s measured in years and they aren’t delivering anything but loaded, read expensive, cars.

 

[old8tora]

The universe of electric cars is far smaller, the average age of electric cars is far less, the owner demographic of electric cars is dramatically different. The numbers are not representative of the relative average likelihood of a fire. If you want to compare the Tesla on an apples to apples basis, compare it to $100K luxury cars of the same age. Figures lie and liers figure. As a child I was in a car with a fire, my father had jump started a car that had been sitting for a long period, once running he though the jumper cables under the hood of the car and drove off to charge the battery by driving the car. A couple of miles from home flames started coming out from under the hood. Now that was an older car, not used much and not properly operated. All of these elements would be far less likely to happen to a $100K Tesla.

Speaking of Teslas and Fires , it was really Cool when the Tesla slammed into the BACK of a HUGE Fire Engine , lol . Gotta shake your head at the stupid Teslas . I'll bet no Jeep ever did that , lol .

 

[aug0211]

Okay, a few facts. The JL is shattering all historical sales records only a few months after deliveries began, the reviews on the vehicle have been remarkably positive and how does this compare to the Tesla Model 3 roll out? Check out the queue time, it’s measured in years and they aren’t delivering anything but loaded, read expensive, cars.

I hate to even respond - the last thing I want to do is provoke this conversation to continue, but I’m laughing at myself on how we got to talking about Teslas.

I still just want to know about the Jeep I ordered. And in this thread, I’m specifically interested in the thread title, and how it applies to ordered Jeeps. Does anyone know if there has been impact identified yet?

•We know 20 vehicles, right?

•Are other vehicles leaving the storage facility, or stuck there for the investigation?

Jeep hotline today of course had no info whatsoever (or isn’t allowed to say), so as usual, it’s back to the backchannels and second hand sources for us.

 

[NavyVet1959]

You can't really compare the fires on the Teslas to all the rest of the cars on the roads, just by a prorated mileage figure alone. If you are going to compare them, you would need to compare similar items. For example, similar years and retail price. How many cars catch fire within the first couple of years? I've only personally experienced a vehicle fire once and it was on a '69 Pontiac and that was probably in the mid-to-late '70s when it happened. Also, cars didn't drive as many miles back then and American cars didn't last as long. It was not uncommon for large companies to sell their company cars when they hit 50K miles back then even though they had large in-house vehicle maintenance facilities because the cars just started to fall apart after 50K miles at that time. These days, 50K miles is considered a low mileage car even on American cars. I've seen Dodge pickups for sell with 175-225K miles on them. You would not have seen *that* back then. I've even seen late model Porsches with 200K on them and the idea that a sports car might have that many miles on it was a completely alien concept back then.

The issue with the fire at FCA should be whether it was just an accident from something unrelated, a procedural problem (maybe related to the auto stop-start "feature"), intentionally started by someone (maybe a disgruntled employee), a manufacturing problem that is confined to recent units that rolled off the line, or an inherent problem in the design (which should result in a recall). A responsible manufacturer would probably hold back delivering units on hand until they can determine the cause of the fire and ensure that the other vehicles that are awaiting shipment are not also affected. But, are car manufacturers "responsible"? There's plenty of evidence out there that some of them are not and that they have balanced the cost of fixing all of their cars out there vs the cost of having to litigate and pay off the occasional lawsuit resulting from a death or injury caused by their defective design.

 

[Majestic]

You're kidding, right? YouTube "gas station fires" and HUNDREDS of videos will come up. Notice the warnings at gas stations to discharge static electricity before fueling? So you can blow up your car by getting back into your car seat, and you're worried about Teslas catching fire?

Also, incidents are measured per billion of miles driven. That removes numbers of vehicles and normalizes the results. There are 55 fires per billion miles driven for ICEs, and 5 per billion for Teslas. Since you don't seem to understand statistics, I'll help you out. Tesla's catch fire at a rate that's 9% that of ICEs per billion of miles driven. You can't spin that data, it is what it is.

I did a search, the total number of Tesla fire incidents I could find worldwide was around 40, and some were due to massive undercarriage impacts that would have absolutely destroyed a typical car that doesn't have the "armor" that the underfloor battery provides. The Tesla incidents are news because it's a new technology. In comparison, there were 174,000 vehicle fires in 2015, and that number only represent reported fires.

The Model X has the highest safety rating of any SUV. Ever. They couldn't even get it to roll over during testing:

http://www.thedrive.com/news/20979/...ly-try-to-roll-the-model-x-during-crash-tests

OTOH-
NHTSA Wrangler ratings (2017 JKU): Frontal driver side 3/5, frontal passenger side 2/5, rollover 3/5.
IIHS Wrangler ratings: Moderate overlap: good, side impact: poor, rear impact: marginal, small overlap: marginal

Jeep Wrangler owners talking smack about safety of other vehicles...that's rich.

I like Teslas. Borrowed a P100D for a full day just last week. Fantastic car, unbelievable acceleration. I like Jeeps. That's why I'm on this site, looking for a JL for my son. But I'm not going to disparage one or the other without knowing what the hell I'm talking about.

Gas stations have been around for over a hundred years so that's not really surprising. I did YouTube "Electric car fire" and 6,260,000 results came up...https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=electric+car+fire

 

[Majestic]

My guess, and I could be wrong, is something caught fire with the 2.0L's battery, Samsung Note 7 style.
A random parking lot otherwise is really odd place to have a fire.

 

[GARRIGA]

Just checking. Is this the JL forum. Feels like I might have taken a wrong turn.

 

[Majestic]

Just checking. Is this the JL forum. Feels like I might have taken a wrong turn.

The thread is about a fire, so of course Telsa's going to come up.

 

[sleepnclass]

So....any news related to the fire? Mechanical issue or vandalism?

 

[GARRIGA]

Silver lining. Perhaps now FCA will start shipping versus storing.

 

[NavyVet1959]

Sorry used to be the JL Wrangler forum now it’s the Tesla Admiration Society.

For whatever reason, Tesla attracts the blind fanboy type of person, just like Apple and Glock do. Something in the plastic, I suspect...

 

[aug0211]

Guys, please, let’s drop the Tesla debate. Honestly, we just don’t care. The handful of strong opinions on Tesla are taking this over. The rest of us really just want to talk about Jeeps.

Could a mod help us keep this thing on the rails? @JAY?

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