Sunrider position pointless?

[Rahneld]

Ok, I just pulled out the owner's manual. It says nothing about this. Page 43 and 48 are listed as the only two pages concerning the soft top. In neither area does it really talk about sunrider position other than to say there are straps to hold it in place in the sunrider position

There is a supplemental that came with the Jeep new that has operational instructions and it says the exact OPPOSITE of this. I will attach a photo as proof.

It clearly states in the supplemental " For sunrider feature follow steps 3&4 only." Steps 3 and 4 are to unlatch the front, then push it back. Then it shows clearly above the mirror on the top to NEVER operate sunrider only position without the windows on!

This whole post is nonsense.

Page 110 of the PDF linked above, (108 of the manual) discusses this. I'm not sure you're pictured source is the owners manual as the bottom of one of the pages suggests referring to the owner's manual for further details. Is that what you call the supplemental manual?

I'd love FCA to give blessing to not removing soft windows with in Sunrider position. I just to see anything but the opposite in the owner's manual.

Again: https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/downloads/guides/2018-Jeep-Wrangler-JL-JLU-Owners-Manual.pdf

I do wonder if a bikini top, in reducing inside draft, might reduce the need for soft window removal if in fact FCA indicated--which I think it is.

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[mwilk012]

Again , since you are obviously daft. That isn't what the 2019 manual clearly states. But hey, please by all means keep arguing by posting something they corrected. Palm smacking my forehead

Since you are not reading from the owners manual and continue to be a jackass, I’ll just let you be wrong.

 

[Macchiato]

Also since this hasn't been mentioned - Jeep, in the literature, calls both the sunrider position and all the way down both the sunrider position. However, as I clearly showed, they fixed this on the 2019 by adding a warning sticker and a supplemental to clarify. Which it does. Case closed people.

 

[mwilk012]

Also since this hasn't been mentioned - Jeep, in the literature, calls both the sunrider position and all the way down both the sunrider position. However, as I clearly showed, they fixed this on the 2019 by adding a warning sticker and a supplemental to clarify. Which it does. Case closed people.

Glad to know you’re the self appointed arbiter of truth when you don’t even know what book you’re reading from.

 

[Rahneld]

Also since this hasn't been mentioned - Jeep, in the literature, calls both the sunrider position and all the way down both the sunrider position. However, as I clearly showed, they fixed this on the 2019 by adding a warning sticker and a supplemental to clarify. Which it does. Case closed people.

Diego, we're going to need to be on the same source if we're all going to communicate effectively.

The owner's manual is that de facto source. I respectfully don't see (please show) where that manual makes Sunrider position ambiguous or suggests retaining the soft windows (much as I do so in Sunrider position) with the Soft top open in Sunrider (or full open) position okay. : - )

 

[Macchiato]

Since you are not reading from the owners manual and continue to be a jackass, I’ll just let you be wrong.

I freaking showed photos saying this from the 2019 manual. Can you really be this daft? Here will show the relevant photo once again since you seem confused.. again...the 2019 manual is completely different from the 2018. It says...to lower the soft top. No where in the 2019 manual does is say anything about taking off windows for the sunrider. My God man...wake up.

 

[Macchiato]

Diego, we're going to need to be on the same source if we're all going to communicate effectively.

The owner's manual is that de facto source. I respectfully don't see (please show) where that manual makes Sunrider position ambiguous or suggests retaining the soft windows (much as I do so in Sunrider position) with the Soft top open in Sunrider (or full open) position okay. : - )

The mother $&#_#_× manual for 2019 is not the same as 2018. How many freaking times does this have to be said??? I was reading directly from my manual and posted photos of that. How do I know they use them the same? Because as people pointed out here, the 2018 manual says sunrider position as it being down as well as in the classical position. However as I keep freaking saying here they corrected that in the 2019 manual itself and by adding a large supplemental page that I showed and by adding a warning sticker to the top by the rear view mirror. Also the ass that says I am the arbitrator of truth...um no. Jeep is which is why they fixed their error. At this point please God don't believe all the photos showing all this I posted. I don't care. Run your top any way you want.

 

[Rahneld]

I freaking showed photos saying this from the 2019 manual. Can you really be this daft? Here will show the relevant photo once again since you seem confused.. again...the 2019 manual is completely different from the 2018. It says...to lower the soft top. No where in the 2019 manual does is say anything about taking off windows for the sunrider. My God man...wake up.

Got it. We have and refer to different year's manuals: yours the 2019, mine the 2018.

Is the 2019 manual online on the forum or elsewhere?

I wonder if something structurally changed on the 2019 to allow this or if it's just never been a problem on the 2018.

Referring to the supplemental manual as the owner's manual can confuse other posters sir, you share in obfuscation here.

 

[Macchiato]

Got it. We have and refer to different year's manuals: yours the 2019, mine the 2018.

Is the 2019 manual online on the forum or elsewhere?

I wonder if something structurally changed on the 2019 to allow this or if it's just never been a problem on the 2018.

I don't know if the 2019 is online or not. My guess is there was a miscommunication between bestop and Jeep in the beginning and bestop clarified things so Jeep made the changes This has happened before with other manufacturers.

 

[Jebiruph]

I went out to the Jeep website and downloaded the 2019 Wrangler Owners Manual. Here's a screen shot of the Sunrider instructions from that manual.

I haven't been able to find any supplemental posted online. @Macchiato, do you know the part number of your soft top and is there a document number on the supplemental?

 

[Rahneld]

@JeepCares

Let's assume the 2018 and 2019 JL manuals provide different instructions on whether soft top windows can or should be retained or removed when the soft top's in Sunrider postion.

Is there one answer, or is each manual different for a reason. If different, why so?

 

[Macchiato]

I went out to the Jeep website and downloaded the 2019 Wrangler Owners Manual. Here's a screen shot of the Sunrider instructions from that manual.

I haven't been able to find any supplemental posted online. @Macchiato, do you know the part number of your soft top and is there a document number on the supplemental?

I don't care what it says online. That is directly out of the 2018 manual, page number and all. That is NOT IN THE 2019 MANUAL. FULL STOP. Page 146 is about starting the jeep.in the 2019 manual.

The part number of my top doesn't matter. As mentioned, this is clear and obvious . I have the premium 2 door top but the manual and supplement page are for both 2 door and 4 door. Here is a full image of the supplemental. Also you guys keep freaking ignoring the fact of the damn warning photo inside my jeep!!!!! Will post that again.

Note again on the freaking instructions for the soft top is says clearly ....for sunrider feature follow steps 3 and 4 ONLY. Full stop.

 

[Rahneld]

I don't care what it says online. That is directly out of the 2018 manual, page number and all. That is NOT IN THE 2019 MANUAL. FULL STOP. Page 146 is about starting the jeep.in the 2019 manual.

The part number of my top doesn't matter. As mentioned, this is clear and obvious . I have the premium 2 door top but the manual and supplement page are for both 2 door and 4 door. Here is a full image of the supplemental. Also you guys keep freaking ignoring the fact of the damn warning photo inside my jeep!!!!! Will post that again.

Note again on the freaking instructions for the soft top is says clearly ....for sunrider feature follow steps 3 and 4 ONLY. Full stop.

Diego, please know that I clearly see from your pictures where it does indeed, like you say, clearly say "for sunrider feature follow steps 3 and 4 only. It's on the bottom of the page of the second picture.

That said--and I do NOT say this to fume you, but to simply question, is it possible that the warning photo inside your Jeep you refer to is saying, in so many words, "do not lower the soft top from Sunrider position to fully open position without first unlocking the latch."

Again---that's my ignorance, not trolling. : - )

 

[Jebiruph]

I don't care what it says online. That is directly out of the 2018 manual, page number and all. That is NOT IN THE 2019 MANUAL. FULL STOP. Page 146 is about starting the jeep.in the 2019 manual.

The part number of my top doesn't matter. As mentioned, this is clear and obvious . I have the premium 2 door top but the manual and supplement page are for both 2 door and 4 door. Here is a full image of the supplemental. Also you guys keep freaking ignoring the fact of the damn warning photo inside my jeep!!!!! Will post that again.

Note again on the freaking instructions for the soft top is says clearly ....for sunrider feature follow steps 3 and 4 ONLY. Full stop.

Here's the link to the 2019 Wranglers Owners Manual that Jeep makes available on their website. My screenshot is from this manual.
https://msmownerassets.z13.web.core...blications/en-us/Jeep/2019/Wrangler/10390.pdf

Your part number matters if they made a revision in the top that corresponds to the change in procedures. Also, can you post your pictures with the correct orientation, they are not easy to read sideways.

 

[Macchiato]

Diego, please know that I clearly see from your pictures where it does indeed, like you say, clearly say "for sunrider feature follow steps 3 and 4 only. It's on the bottom of the page of the second picture.

That said--and I do NOT say this to fume you, but to simply question, is it possible that the warning photo inside your Jeep you refer to is saying, in so many words, "do not lower the soft top from Sunrider position to fully open position without first unlocking the latch."

Again---that's my ignorance, not trolling. : - )

It really doesn't appear to me, but agree it could be an interpretation. That is the problem with just pictures. However, I am not sure how you could do that, but then I am sure someone might try.

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