Stellantis Disappoints, Vows to Do Better

[KCSgtMaj]

Why do they continue to push EV’s? It’s obvious Americans don’t want them. Especially the Jeep brand that catches on fire, with no fix in the near future. Stellantis fix, do not charge and don’t park it in your garage. Dumb, dumb, dumb. U.S. big three EVs are killing the U.S. automobile market.

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[autotragic]

Why do they continue to push EV’s? It’s obvious Americans don’t want them. Especially the Jeep brand that catches on fire, with no fix in the near future. Stellantis fix, do not charge and don’t park it in your garage. Dumb, dumb, dumb. U.S. big three EVs are killing the U.S. automobile market.

Because the Government says so.

 

[KCSgtMaj]

Because the Government says so.

They could have said no. And then taken the government entity to court. But instead mfg’s lost Billions of dollars and jacked up the price of ICE vehicles to help defray their losses. So in the end the consumer gets screwed AGAIN due to govt. meddling. EV’s aren’t going to save the planet.

 

[TXRubicon]

Governments, to be specific. This isn't because of any one country's government but rather the majority of countries in Asia, Europe, and North America. As Asian and European countries go, so goes the world. The US is tightening its legislation around emissions targets, but Europe and parts of Asia are already far stricter. Stellantis, like most automakers, makes products that are sold globally. As such, they have to cater to the strictest of regulations for all their vehicles regardless of market.

For reference, they can say no and be fined accordingly. Stellantis paid $190.7 million in fines for not meeting US fuel economy requirements in 2018 and 2019. They still have $459.7 million in fines outstanding. So yeah, they can and have held out as long as they can, and now we're all paying for it. Now they're trying to reduce future penalties by taking the measures they're taking.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/b...r-missing-fuel-economy-standards/74476893007/

Because the Government says so.

 

[TheRaven]

The fuel economy requirements are going to get interesting. They are already at the point where they can't be met strictly with ICE engines. Automakers need to sell partial-EV and full-EV products in order to meet them. But growth on the EV side isn't anywhere near what they need it to be in order for this to work...so automakers are going to have to continue to pay more and more in fines, which is going to continue to jack up prices, making their vehicles sell even less, and causing cost-cuts and job cuts. It's the start of a nasty downward spiral that will end up being a big problem for the federal government once it advances far enough.

I've said it (and many others have to) since this tightening of fuel efficiency requirements started accelerating something like 20 years ago - you cannot legislate technological advancement into existence. At some point something's going to break...and I think we're seeing the start of that now.

 

[Ratbert]

I've said it (and many others have to) since this tightening of fuel efficiency requirements started accelerating something like 20 years ago - you cannot legislate technological advancement into existence. At some point something's going to break...and I think we're seeing the start of that now.

To be clear: that "acceleration" started almost 50 years ago.

 

[CarbonSteel]

Our 2021 Grand Cherokee L recently went off lease and the Jeep dealer in Castle Rock, CO made the transition really smooth into a Grand Cherokee 4xe (the rebates were nice).

Though my 2019 Rubicon was a complete turd, the 2021 GC had no issues aside from a loose wire from the factory on the intelligent battery module. It still had the original batteries when we turned it in.

So far, the 4xe has been nice and has enough battery power to putter around town and level 1 charging tops it off in 10-14 hours. I have not been able to feel the alleged 470lb-ft of torque, but I'll assume it's there.

For those who have seen the Polar Express, I was just like the kid holding the sleigh bell chanting...I believe...I believe...I believe.

 

[NWJeepr]

Why do they continue to push EV’s? It’s obvious Americans don’t want them. Especially the Jeep brand that catches on fire, with no fix in the near future. Stellantis fix, do not charge and don’t park it in your garage. Dumb, dumb, dumb. U.S. big three EVs are killing the U.S. automobile market.

"Americans don't want them", yet 30% of Wrangler sales are 4xe, and EV sales in the broader automotive market continue to grow, and Toyota continues to do well with hybrids and has for 20+ years.

There is, actually, a market for EV's and PHEV's, it's just not 100% of people, right now, nor will it ever be. It's important to stop comparing the growing EV market to that false metric and jumping to claiming total failure when it hasn't met that.

It's a really boring argument to blame the government for everything that one doesn't personally like.

 

[TheRaven]

"Americans don't want them", yet 30% of Wrangler sales are 4xe, and EV sales in the broader automotive market continue to grow, and Toyota continues to do well with hybrids and has for 20+ years.

There is, actually, a market for EV's and PHEV's, it's just not 100% of people, right now, nor will it ever be. It's important to stop comparing the growing EV market to that false metric and jumping to claiming total failure when it hasn't met that.

It's a really boring argument to blame the government for everything that one doesn't personally like.

Most of the sales you are seeing right now are due to the fact that those are the vehicles that are on the lot. Look at any CDJR lot - at least half of what's on the lot is 4xe. All the dealers around me are more like 70-80% 4xe. If the lots are all 75% 4xe, sales are going to be 75% 4xe.

The important problem is that EV and partial-EV sales are not growing at the rate they need to (i.e. the rate at which the government promised they would). So it's f-ed up all the plans.

 

[NWJeepr]

Most of the sales you are seeing right now are due to the fact that those are the vehicles that are on the lot. Look at any CDJR lot - at least half of what's on the lot is 4xe. All the dealers around me are more like 70-80% 4xe. If the lots are all 75% 4xe, sales are going to be 75% 4xe.

The important problem is that EV and partial-EV sales are not growing at the rate they need to (i.e. the rate at which the government promised they would). So it's f-ed up all the plans.

That's a pretty tired argument because the majority of sales are gas Wranglers, not 4xe's. Nobody is forcing anyone to buy 4xe's. And it's not just Jeep that sells hybrids and EV's.

 

[TheRaven]

That's a pretty tired argument because the majority of sales are gas Wranglers, not 4xe's. Nobody is forcing anyone to buy 4xe's. And it's not just Jeep that sells hybrids and EV's.

It's not "an argument", it's a time-proven truth. "Nobody is forcing anyone to buy 4xe's" is the tired argument. We all know no one is being forced. But that doesn't matter.

 

[NWJeepr]

It's not "an argument", it's a time-proven truth. "Nobody is forcing anyone to buy 4xe's" is the tired argument. We all know no one is being forced. But that doesn't matter.

Yeah it kinda does matter, since EV's and hybrids are selling, including outside of Stellantis brands. But go ahead, insert cranial void into rectum, you're right, 4xe's are the only thing on dealer lots and that's why they sell. Ok, Kevin.

 

[TheRaven]

Yeah it kinda does matter, since EV's and hybrids are selling, including outside of Stellantis brands. But go ahead, insert cranial void into rectum.

Another tired argument. You really aren't saying anything here.

Maybe you need to remove your cranial void from your rectum.

 

[KCSgtMaj]

That's a pretty tired argument because the majority of sales are gas Wranglers, not 4xe's. Nobody is forcing anyone to buy 4xe's. And it's not just Jeep that sells hybrids and EV's.

Have to go out of state if you live in California to purchase/order an ICE wrangler from what I’ve read.
but I guess no one is forcing you to buy 4xE.

 

[NWJeepr]

Have to go out of state if you live in California to purchase/order an ICE wrangler from what I’ve read.
but I guess no one is forcing you to buy 4xE.

You should probably "read" more or just go searching for new gas wranglers in those states on dealer lots, because the exist now in CARB states. What you're referring to is a self-imposed f* up on behalf of FCA before Stellantis acquired it, and yes, temporarily, Stellantis reverted to "order-only" status for gas Wranglers in carb states. That's no longer the case.

Dealers here in WA (a CARB state) are stocking gas wranglers again and have been for a while.

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