Rubicon vs Sahara 4xe ?

[kah.mun.rah]

My recommendation would be the Willys 4xe. I would also wait for the 2024 version to get the rear locker and upgraded interior. You can get blind-spot alert with the added Safety Group. You can get the adaptive cruise and collision warning with the Advanced Safety Group. The Safety Group is 100% worth it. Wranglers do have blind spots and if you do a lot of multi-lane traffic driving it is a must have. As far as the Advanced Safety Group, I am on the fence. The adaptive cruise doesn't work that well as far as how quickly it accelerates and decelerates. Another thing to consider is that Wrangler windshields are famous for cracking and if you have the advanced safety group there are sensors that most windshield installers require to be recalibrated if the windshield is replaced at an additional cost of around $800.

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[GHepekiz]

Resist instant gratification and order your Jeep EXACTLY the way you want it. That is the advice the most experienced members would give you. And...you'll be able to order for 5% below invoice. Buying off the lot will likely have you paying closer to MSRP.

Great recommendation!! Thank you!

 

[rcadden]

Most definitely, if you have the time available to wait, do not buy a Wrangler off the lot. You can place a custom order with a number of dealers across the country at a significant discount - even more significant at the MSRPs you're looking at.

Here is where you can get more information on that: Ratbert's Dealers Below-Invoice Spreadsheet
I can personally recommend Gupton. You can easily get cheap flights from Austin to Nashville, and then you get a nice easy (beautiful) road trip home in your new toy. I personally saved $7K *after travel costs* ordering my Sahara Altitude from Gupton vs any of the local dealers. And I got *exactly* the Jeep/features I wanted.

As to Rubicon vs Sahara, for your described usage, the Sahara will be more than enough Jeep for you. The only safety feature that you have now that you would lose is the 360-degree camera. I have all the rest on my Sahara.

Depending on how/where you drive, the 4xe could be an incredible option, or a complete waste. Me personally, I WFH and only really leave the house to take my kids to school. A 4xe would have 100% eliminated my gas bill, aside from weekend excursions and such. The 4xe's electric-only range is only ~25mi, so factor that in.

If you're not going to benefit from the 4xe's electric bits, then you could save a nice chunk of change by getting a regular Sahara.

 

[Bleda2002]

My recommendation would be the Willys 4xe. I would also wait for the 2024 version to get the rear locker and upgraded interior. You can get blind-spot alert with the added Safety Group. You can get the adaptive cruise and collision warning with the Advanced Safety Group. The Safety Group is 100% worth it. Wranglers do have blind spots and if you do a lot of multi-lane traffic driving it is a must have. As far as the Advanced Safety Group, I am on the fence. The adaptive cruise doesn't work that well as far as how quickly it accelerates and decelerates. Another thing to consider is that Wrangler windshields are famous for cracking and if you have the advanced safety group there are sensors that most windshield installers require to be recalibrated if the windshield is replaced at an additional cost of around $800.

There are no sensors in the windshield that need to be recalibrated. Other vehicles yes, but the jeep advanced cruise control is all in the box behind the windshield so you can just replace the windshield with no need for recalibration.

I'd never buy another car with out ACC unless I dont plan on road tripping it. The ACC is worth its weight in gold on a long road trip, especially with traffic as it really saves on fatigue by removing one more thing you're having to manage. As all things you have to learn the system and how it behaves for sure, but once you do its absolutely amazing.

 

[kah.mun.rah]

There are no sensors in the windshield that need to be recalibrated. Other vehicles yes, but the jeep advanced cruise control is all in the box behind the windshield so you can just replace the windshield with no need for recalibration.

I know that but they will still require and charge for it. The story they told me was that the thickness of the glue used and/or the thickness of the new glass can impact the calibration of the sensors. That said, I found a shop that didn't require the recalibration and my advanced safety features still work fine.

 

[Bleda2002]

I know that but they will still require and charge for it. The story they told me was that the thickness of the glue used and/or the thickness of the new glass can impact the calibration of the sensors. That said, I found a shop that didn't require the recalibration and my advanced safety features still work fine.

Refuse it if they try to charge for it, the mopar manual has no mention of recalibration being necessary for glass replacement. This is just a hold over from all the other vehicles that do require it.

 

[JSFoster75]

Hello everyone,
I am planning to purchase my first Jeep Wrangler. I am really a rookie. And after I saw lots of packages and modifications, I am overwhelmed and I need your thoughts. Now, I am using a Ford Explorer Timberline with some safety options like blind spot detection, forward-collision preventer, adaptive speed control and 360 camera. I know, I won't have these fancy options with a Wrangler. And I don't know if I can have installed later...
I am going to use Jeep for daily trips, surfing, camping, and exploring around but at least for now I don't think that I can do rock climbing with it, I am not at that stage yet I tested a Rubicon and Sahara 4xe a few days ago. I felt the power of Rubicon and its' toughness, on the other hand Sahara was very smooth and agile.

I found these 2 options and I can't go higher in terms of budget:

Rubicon: https://www.dallasdodge.net/invento...door-4x4-4x4-sport-utility-1c4hjxfg8pw609177/
Sahara 4xe: https://www.dallasdodge.net/invento...hara-4x4-4x4-sport-utility-1c4jjxp61pw661953/

I wanted to hear your thoughts about these two and also must have factory modifications, that you think it is hard to do later.

Thank you so much for your time and thoughts!

Based solely on the price & options/capabilities, I would go with the Rubicon... You get a lot more bang for your buck in my opinion. The 4Xe still has a LOT of kinks that need to be worked out.

However, if this will primarily be used as a daily commuter and you are worried about gas mileage, the 4Xe may be a better choice for you.

 

[fat_head]

I wouldn't get a 4xe under any circumstances. The added cost, weight, complexity and pathetic range makes it a non-starter for me.

As for a Rubicon. Do you plan to take it off road? If not, I wouldn't get that either. Why pay for all the extras it gives you if you will never use them?

Thirdly, Dallas CDJR is a terrible dealership. Both on the sales and service side. Check out Huffines in Plano.

 

[kah.mun.rah]

Refuse it if they try to charge for it, the mopar manual has no mention of recalibration being necessary for glass replacement. This is just a hold over from all the other vehicles that do require it.

Unfortunately, refusing it is not an option with most reputable glass companies (it's a liability thing for the glass company). The other option is to find a place that does not have the ability to calibrate and then sign the waiver saying that you will have it calibrated elsewhere. Since so many cars now have that technology it will be more and more difficult to find that type of glass company in the future that doesn't have the ability to recalibrate.

And now that they are adding the antenna to the glass, we could be looking at around $1,500 to replace the Wrangler windshields in the future.

 

[Dyolfknip74]

Unfortunately, refusing it is not an option with most reputable glass companies (it's a liability thing for the glass company). The other option is to find a place that does not have the ability to calibrate and then sign the waiver saying that you will have it calibrated elsewhere. Since so many cars now have that technology it will be more and more difficult to find that type of glass company in the future that doesn't have the ability to recalibrate.

And now that they are adding the antenna to the glass, we could be looking at around $1,500 to replace the Wrangler windshields in the future.

You can also leave a SGW bypass cable instaled and they won't be able to recalibrate as well.

 

[Bleda2002]

Unfortunately, refusing it is not an option with most reputable glass companies (it's a liability thing for the glass company). The other option is to find a place that does not have the ability to calibrate and then sign the waiver saying that you will have it calibrated elsewhere. Since so many cars now have that technology it will be more and more difficult to find that type of glass company in the future that doesn't have the ability to recalibrate.

And now that they are adding the antenna to the glass, we could be looking at around $1,500 to replace the Wrangler windshields in the future.

Dealerships will replace the windshield with out recalibration, will be a little more expensive than safelite but it will also be actual OEM glass. In Florida its pretty easy to find an independent glass company that will do what you ask them to.

Antenna will add very little to the cost honestly unless jeep itself jacks up the cost of OEM glass. Its just a thin strip of metal and has been done for the last 50 years and mainstream for the last 20 years, no sensors no special electronics just a wire and a plug sandwhiched between the layers.

 

[kah.mun.rah]

Dealerships will replace the windshield with out recalibration, will be a little more expensive than safelite but it will also be actual OEM glass. In Florida its pretty easy to find an independent glass company that will do what you ask them to.

Antenna will add very little to the cost honestly unless jeep itself jacks up the cost of OEM glass. Its just a thin strip of metal and has been done for the last 50 years and mainstream for the last 20 years, no sensors no special electronics just a wire and a plug sandwhiched between the layers.

Interesting. Maybe the law varies state to state. All I know is what happened and what I was told when I replaced my windshield with advanced safety features a few weeks ago. Truth be told, if lifting my Jeep and adding 37" tires didn't screw up my calibration I don't think replacing the glass will and the last thing I want to do is pay an extra $800 for it. But...my local Safelite (and I can't remember the name of the other one I tried) refused to replace the glass without a calibration, and the shop that I did find made me sign a waiver saying that I would do the calibration after they replace the glass.

 

[GHepekiz]

I wouldn't get a 4xe under any circumstances. The added cost, weight, complexity and pathetic range makes it a non-starter for me.

As for a Rubicon. Do you plan to take it off road? If not, I wouldn't get that either. Why pay for all the extras it gives you if you will never use them?

Thirdly, Dallas CDJR is a terrible dealership. Both on the sales and service side. Check out Huffines in Plano.

Thank you for the heads up!!

 

[Maverick909]

Hello everyone,
I am planning to purchase my first Jeep Wrangler. I am really a rookie. And after I saw lots of packages and modifications, I am overwhelmed and I need your thoughts. Now, I am using a Ford Explorer Timberline with some safety options like blind spot detection, forward-collision preventer, adaptive speed control and 360 camera. I know, I won't have these fancy options with a Wrangler. And I don't know if I can have installed later...
I am going to use Jeep for daily trips, surfing, camping, and exploring around but at least for now I don't think that I can do rock climbing with it, I am not at that stage yet I tested a Rubicon and Sahara 4xe a few days ago. I felt the power of Rubicon and its' toughness, on the other hand Sahara was very smooth and agile.

I found these 2 options and I can't go higher in terms of budget:

Rubicon: https://www.dallasdodge.net/invento...door-4x4-4x4-sport-utility-1c4hjxfg8pw609177/
Sahara 4xe: https://www.dallasdodge.net/invento...hara-4x4-4x4-sport-utility-1c4jjxp61pw661953/

I wanted to hear your thoughts about these two and also must have factory modifications, that you think it is hard to do later.

Thank you so much for your time and thoughts!

maybe look into ordering yourself a nice 2024 willys. it would be a great mix for a starter jeep with a lower purchase price.

 

[GHepekiz]

Most definitely, if you have the time available to wait, do not buy a Wrangler off the lot. You can place a custom order with a number of dealers across the country at a significant discount - even more significant at the MSRPs you're looking at.

Here is where you can get more information on that: Ratbert's Dealers Below-Invoice Spreadsheet
I can personally recommend Gupton. You can easily get cheap flights from Austin to Nashville, and then you get a nice easy (beautiful) road trip home in your new toy. I personally saved $7K *after travel costs* ordering my Sahara Altitude from Gupton vs any of the local dealers. And I got *exactly* the Jeep/features I wanted.

As to Rubicon vs Sahara, for your described usage, the Sahara will be more than enough Jeep for you. The only safety feature that you have now that you would lose is the 360-degree camera. I have all the rest on my Sahara.

Depending on how/where you drive, the 4xe could be an incredible option, or a complete waste. Me personally, I WFH and only really leave the house to take my kids to school. A 4xe would have 100% eliminated my gas bill, aside from weekend excursions and such. The 4xe's electric-only range is only ~25mi, so factor that in.

If you're not going to benefit from the 4xe's electric bits, then you could save a nice chunk of change by getting a regular Sahara.

Yes, I have time to wait. And I saw that I need to learn more before purchasing. After you submit your custom order to your dealer, how long did it take to arrive, I mean app.?

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