Oracle flush mount tail lights!!!

[tma777]

Will do, sending a message now. Everything I’ve tried hasn‘t worked to this point.

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[Heimkehr]

Doesn't matter. The compact design of the Oracle tail lights prevents the placement (orientation) of the BSM modules in the manner necessary to allow functioning consistent with when they're in the OEM tail lights. This is why the factory lights are so bloated; they allow the modules to jut out in the manner necessary to allow them to work as the owner expects.

A minor fix when wanting BSM functionality with the Oracle lights is to shim the BSM modules to the extent possible. This may help, a bit.

 

[tma777]

Double check, make sure the front doesn't have a problem.

good point, checked the front and verified no issue.

 

[tma777]

lifted but I don’t have BSM so no issues with that for me.

 

[ORACLE Terry]

Using a small shim behind the BSM in the upper corners will help angle the sensor when used on taller or lifted vehicles. Edit: use the shim on the lower corners. I miss-typed

 

[dirtdigr]

Using a small shim behind the BSM in the upper corners will help angle the sensor when used on taller or lifted vehicles.

I'm not lifted. But I originally bought these for my 2020Sport S with Halogen lights and no BSM (worked awesome!!). I've recently traded up to a 2024 Willys with LED and BSM. I had to put the stock taillights back on cause I couldn't get the BSM to work at all. Do you guys have instructions on how to shim the BSM modules? Has Oracle redesigned their taillights so BSM works? I Love these lights, just want the BSM to work.

 

[Heimkehr]

I originally bought these for my 2020 Sport S with Halogen lights and no BSM.

I've recently traded up to a 2024 Willys with LED and BSM. I had to put the stock taillights back on cause I couldn't get the BSM to work at all. Has Oracle redesigned their taillights so BSM works? I...just want the BSM to work.

The conventional wisdom is that there's no solution that would allow the lights' flush-mount profile to remain intact.

The bulbous, tumor-like appearance of the OEM LED tail lights provides the protrusion required for proper functioning of the BSM modules. They stick out because they have to do so.

The shimming of the modules in the Oracle lights is at best a periodically functioning patch.

 

[ORACLElights]

The conventional wisdom is that there's no solution that would allow the lights' flush-mount profile to remain intact.

The bulbous, tumor-like appearance of the OEM LED tail lights provides the protrusion required for proper functioning of the BSM modules. They stick out because they have to do so.

The shimming of the modules in the Oracle lights is at best a periodically functioning patch.

While the factory sensor locations are engineered to be in those locations for the best results, especially with stock ride heights, we have found solid results on lifted vehicles with our lights. The shimming of the sensors has worked on our vehicles and the vehicles of others that done so. Although your assessment of the "tumor-like appearance" is accurate.

 

[ORACLElights]

I'm not lifted. But I originally bought these for my 2020Sport S with Halogen lights and no BSM (worked awesome!!). I've recently traded up to a 2024 Willys with LED and BSM. I had to put the stock taillights back on cause I couldn't get the BSM to work at all. Do you guys have instructions on how to shim the BSM modules? Has Oracle redesigned their taillights so BSM works? I Love these lights, just want the BSM to work.

The angle of the BSM can be affected by certain conditions such as a lifted or altered ride height. This can be mitigated by using 3mm foam tape shims in the lower portion of the sensor cavity. Think about using a small square tab of foam tape in each lower corner. This should adjust the angle that the sensor reads. If you need help with this, you can contact our technical support team. Please take a moment to fill out our online tech support request here: https://www.oraclelights.com/pages/tech-support-form and someone from our technical department will be in contact with you shortly. Thank you!

 

[Dyolfknip74]

I am on my second set. Mine lasted almost 2 years to the day I think. With the new set, I used plastidip to seal the backside as best I could. I love the lights but if these ones only last 2 years, I am done with them.

I should mention Oracle gave me a pretty good deal on the second set after I reached out here.

 

[Wraif]

I am on my second set. Mine lasted almost 2 years to the day I think. With the new set, I used plastidip to seal the backside as best I could. I love the lights but if these ones only last 2 years, I am done with them.

I should mention Oracle gave me a pretty good deal on the second set after I reached out here.

I am on my second set. Mine lasted almost 2 years to the day I think. With the new set, I used plastidip to seal the backside as best I could. I love the lights but if these ones only last 2 years, I am done with them.

I should mention Oracle gave me a pretty good deal on the second set after I reached out here.

I pre ordered my tail lights from Oracle. Twice before I’ve had to get a replacement light. Now my right side rear isn’t working right again. This really sucks. I paid a lot for these lights, I love how they look, I ABSOLUTELY LOVE the reverse lights but if they keep failing I don’t see how I can keep them on my Jeep. I’ve been looking at ones from MetalCloak and Combat Offroad. Does anybody have any experience with either of these ? Or do you know of any other good ones ? I really don’t want to put those hideous stock tail lights back on, but I also don’t want a fix-it ticket. I am gonna reach out to Oracle AGAIN, just to see if they have had more problems like mine or if they have a real fix, not just another light that’s gonna fail again.
On a side note, I got Oracles back up light for my Gladiator too. They originally had me wire them directly to the existing tail light harness. That blew the light, caused the GPS, radio and about everything electrical to go haywire. Got the $900 factory taillight replaced and then they sent me a harness to tie the new reverse light into the trailer harness. No more problems and have fantastic reverse lights again in the Gladiator. For now, my confidence in them is quickly fading.

 

[Heimkehr]

I pre ordered my tail lights from Oracle. Twice before I’ve had to get a replacement light. Now my right side rear isn’t working right again. This really sucks. I paid a lot for these lights, I love how they look, I ABSOLUTELY LOVE the reverse lights but if they keep failing I don’t see how I can keep them on my Jeep. I really don’t want to put those hideous stock tail lights back on, but I also don’t want a fix-it ticket. I am gonna reach out to Oracle AGAIN, just to see if they have had more problems like mine or if they have a real fix, not just another light that’s gonna fail again.

I too was an early adopter, buying the lights during the November 2021 pre-sale. They were received during the inaugural shipments in early Jan. 2022. Like you, I've had to replace one light recently (the right side). Fair credit to Oracle for providing a one-time, out-of-warranty free replacement. They stepped up.

That said, if or when a second failure occurs, I'll bin both of the flush-mounts without hesitation and reinstall the OEM tail lights. I do have some high-zoot LED bulbs for them that improve both the brake light and the reverse light illumination. While they're not as bright as the reverse lighting on the Oracles, it's plainly more important to have something that works than it is to have a few more lumens to play with.

Best of luck with the resolution process.

 

[roaniecowpony]

This is really disappointing to hear. Oracle charges premium prices. We should expect better than average reliability and quality. I actually had been considering these recently, but this thread changed my mind.

 

[TopGunViper]

Anyone try these?

https://www.morimotohid.com/LF746-L...MIvtOVxJ7IiQMVHUp_AB2NmSgjEAAYASAAEgJPVfD_BwE

 

[Dyolfknip74]

I too was an early adopter, buying the lights during the November 2021 pre-sale. They were received during the inaugural shipments in early Jan. 2022. Like you, I've had to replace one light recently (the right side). Fair credit to Oracle for providing a one-time, out-of-warranty free replacement. They stepped up.

That said, if or when a second failure occurs, I'll bin both of the flush-mounts without hesitation and reinstall the OEM tail lights. I do have some high-zoot LED bulbs for them that improve both the brake light and the reverse light illumination. While they're not as bright as the reverse lighting on the Oracles, it's plainly more important to have something that works than it is to have a few more lumens to play with.

Best of luck with the resolution process.

Man, mine died and I didn't get an out of warranty replacement. Just a discount on a new set.

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