Numerous problems dealership absolutely no help

[COBill]

As at least half of it , including start-stop , serve no purpose at all , what could possibly go wrong ? First time I heard of start-stop , I thought it was stupid .

To be fair, FCA is in a bind here.

The Federal Government implemented IMHO ridiculous CAFE (Corporate Average Fuel Economy) standards and the only way to increase the fuel mileage of a heavy vehicle with the aerodynamics of a brick like the Wrangler would be to severely underpower it with a tiny engine, smooth it so it had the aerodynamics of a family vehicle, use a lot more aluminum like the new Ford F-150, or implement auto start/stop.

Which options would you choose?

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[old8tora]

The Federal Government implemented IMHO ridiculous CAFE (Corporate Average Fuel Economy) standards and the only way to increase the fuel mileage of a heavy vehicle with the aerodynamics of a brick like the Wrangler would be to severely underpower it with a tiny engine, smooth it so it had the aerodynamics of a family vehicle, use a lot more aluminum like the new Ford F-150, or implement auto start/stop.
Which options would you choose?

I'd choose (5) take off the hard top , lower the windshield forward , take off the doors , and let the roll bar be the only aerodynamic drag ; then I'd give a finger salute to "café standards" .

 

[COBill]

then I'd give a finger salute to "café standards" .

Fun to say, but since FCA likes selling vehicles in America without paying huge fines, not so practical.

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2018/04/02/2018-06550/civil-penalties

As a result of this review, NHTSA is proposing to retain the current civil penalty rate in 49 U.S.C. 32912(b) of $5.50 per tenth of a mile per gallon for automobile manufacturers that do not meet applicable CAFE standards and are unable to offset such a deficit with compliance credits.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...elaying-boost-in-fuel-penalties-idUSKBN1HU2SS

For the record, for Light Trucks the FCA CAFE number for 2016 was 26.4, the required standard 29.0, so the base fine for 2016 (not including offsets) was 26 x 5.5 x 1,365,868 vehicles produced, or $195,319,124.

Of course offsets drastically reduce that amount - FCA likely paid just a few million dollars as small cars that beat the target offset fines for larger vehicles that don't - but it's still a major factor in their engineering decisions.

By the way, the EPA wants that fine amount to be $14 per tenth of a gallon, not just $5.50.

 

[old8tora]

Fun to say, but since FCA likes selling vehicles in America without paying huge fines, not so practical.

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2018/04/02/2018-06550/civil-penalties



https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...elaying-boost-in-fuel-penalties-idUSKBN1HU2SS

For the record, for Light Trucks the FCA CAFE number for 2016 was 26.4, the required standard 29.0, so the base fine for 2016 (not including offsets) was 26 x 5.5 x 1,365,868 vehicles produced, or $195,319,124.

Of course offsets drastically reduce that amount - FCA likely paid just a few million dollars as small cars that beat the target offset fines for larger vehicles that don't - but it's still a major factor in their engineering decisions.

By the way, the EPA wants that fine amount to be $14 per tenth of a gallon, not just $5.50.

This shows the dumbness of the CAFE regulations ; my personal café regulation is to be in a Paris café with an alluring girl . That will be a good escape from Elon Musk , who says that gasoline should cost $ 10 a gallon .

 

[BlueVelociraptor]

Hello BlueVelociraptor,

We're sorry to hear you're having such a hard time with your Wrangler. Our team can be contacted by direct message and would be glad to forward your inquiry to a Case Specialist if you'd like to continue working with the dealer.

Jasmine
Jeep Social Care Specialist

Hello BlueVelociraptor,

We're sorry to hear you're having such a hard time with your Wrangler. Our team can be contacted by direct message and would be glad to forward your inquiry to a Case Specialist if you'd like to continue working with the dealer.

Jasmine
Jeep Social Care Specialist

Hi Jasmine!
Here's what I have happening...
6/25/18 Updates on Blue's Issues
5/18/18 Went back to dealership service department with engine light on.
Engine Misfire Error when scanned and new coiled on backorder.
PCM update was done to address stereo issues.
Tires were balanced.
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6/27/18 Scheduled for third service to install coil
Requesting additional service to address:

-recall U62 for cruise control
-analog and digital speedometer 4-5 mph difference
-clarify if Update Uconnect Software Version to 1810.02 (TSB 08-012-18 REV. C) - June 12, 2018 was completed and referred to as the PCM update

 

[owltown]

I too have the speedo probem! My analog ranges from dead on to 4 or 5 MPH high. Seems to be heat related. The longer i drive the worse it gets. Dealer gave me a BS story that all analog speedos are that way.
This is a safety recall in the making.. Lets not give up...

 

[Capt-Zoom]

Almost came to blows with the service manager at my dealer Friday. Wont be bringing it there again for service.

 

[old8tora]

Almost came to blows with the service manager at my dealer Friday. Wont be bringing it there again for service.

Good decision . What gave you the idea that a service manager at a dealer knows anything ? Go to an experienced independent mechanic for an unbiased opinion .

 

[Capt-Zoom]

Definately....unfortunately its warranty bs.

 

[old8tora]

Definately....unfortunately its warranty bs.

You can go anywhere you want for an unbiased opinion . Doesn't have any effect on your warranty . I always go to an expert mechanic , not a service manager . Who will know more , an expert mechanic or a service manager ?

 

[Capt-Zoom]

Usually i do my own wrenching, troubleshooting, and repairs...so 90% of the time i know whats wrong....its just convincing the of it and paying for the fix

 

[old8tora]

Usually i do my own wrenching, troubleshooting, and repairs...so 90% of the time i know whats wrong....its just convincing the of it and paying for the fix

Hey buddy , something must have not gone right if the service manager sets people off . If something doesn't go right , maybe it's time to switch to another idea . That was my only point . Otherwise , if he sets people off, things can go bad in a hurry . Be safe , buddy .

 

[old8tora]

Hi Jasmine!
Here's what I have happening...
6/25/18 Updates on Blue's Issues
5/18/18 Went back to dealership service department with engine light on.
Engine Misfire Error when scanned and new coiled on backorder.
PCM update was done to address stereo issues.
Tires were balanced.
----------------------------
6/27/18 Scheduled for third service to install coil
Requesting additional service to address:

-recall U62 for cruise control
-analog and digital speedometer 4-5 mph difference
-clarify if Update Uconnect Software Version to 1810.02 (TSB 08-012-18 REV. C) - June 12, 2018 was completed and referred to as the PCM update

So ... what is the latest news ; it's been over half a month since you last updated us , your friends .

 

[Capt-Zoom]

Exactly. Last thing i need is assault charges. From now on i go elsewhere. No time for managers who cock off on customers.

 

[old8tora]

Exactly. Last thing i need is assault charges. From now on i go elsewhere. No time for managers who cock off on customers.

You Got It , Buddy . Wherever you went , just stay away from jerks , For Your Benefit and Your Safety !

You can always deal with Jeep Corporate by phone or mail .

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