New brake design? Cannot replace just pads?

[Deleted User 38384]

Good afternoon,

My 2018 JLUR needs new pads on the front. Just got a call from the dealership where they confirmed it is just the pads worn out and only the front. However, they are telling me that Jeep has come out with a new design so they will have to replace the pads and the rotors and want nearly $900 to do it (just the front).

Seems absolutely crazy right. So my question is if this is a real thing and I am essentially going to have to replace rotors as well because of this design change or if they are BS‘ing me. If the latter, would going to somewhere else that is not the dealership void any kind of warranty as that is why I use the dealership (have the extended MVP warranty).

Thanks in advance.

Mark

When pads get low, they start whining when you hit your brakes. If your brakes aren't whining, then you're probably still good for a little bit.

There's no way in hell that the dealership can't replace the pads only.

If I were you, I would go make sure you get your vehicle back and make sure they do not see a penny. And then I would file a complaint with the Better Business Bureau, just to stick it to them for being lying scoundrels! Make sure to write a bad Google review, not like every dealership on the planet doesn't already have a hundred shitty ones!

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[IanNubbit]

What was the reasoning to replace pads? It was not disclosed besides “dealership told me to”. As listed desin changed from early years of the JL, so yes, gotta change both to ensure proper operation.

Also, I dont bother offering turning rotors on modern cars anymore for 2 reason
1.) rotors are within 10% of the price of paying to turn the current with high modern labor rates and low rotor prices
2.) Modern ceramic pads tend to last nearly 100k unless abused or other issues are present (warped rotors, seized caliper/slides etc.) by that time the rotors are worn to a point where after resurfacing the rotor they are below minimum spec
pads tend to last the same time as rotors now, in past generations this was not true, 3-5 sets of pads could be gone through before the rotors where worn beyond limits. Modern parts are built and designed differently. Warranty almost never approves resurfacing rotors these days if that tells you anything, and they always want the cheapest fix

 

[58Willys]

I just checked my factory service manual for my ‘18; there is nothing about replacing rotors with pads.

You would best off to resurface/turn/replace rotors if installing new pads.

Good info from Ian above too.

 

[CaboJim]

Just hang new pads.

 

[GATORB8]

What was the reasoning to replace pads? It was not disclosed besides “dealership told me to”. As listed desin changed from early years of the JL, so yes, gotta change both to ensure proper operation.

Also, I dont bother offering turning rotors on modern cars anymore for 2 reason
1.) rotors are within 10% of the price of paying to turn the current with high modern labor rates and low rotor prices
2.) Modern ceramic pads tend to last nearly 100k unless abused or other issues are present (warped rotors, seized caliper/slides etc.) by that time the rotors are worn to a point where after resurfacing the rotor they are below minimum spec
pads tend to last the same time as rotors now, in past generations this was not true, 3-5 sets of pads could be gone through before the rotors where worn beyond limits. Modern parts are built and designed differently. Warranty almost never approves resurfacing rotors these days if that tells you anything, and they always want the cheapest fix

Also, pads and rotors are wear items, so unless you catch it really early, you’re sol anyway.

 

[KCSgtMaj]

This is the pads my dealer told needed replaced. I replaced my pads myself. And did not change rotors. I have a 18 Sahara. Don’t ever trust your dealer.Sahara and Rubicon have the same Heavy Duty pads. As you can see I didn’t need pads.

Wow.

 

[jlandry287]

Why would you use OEM pads? I’d go aftermarket with better stopping power for (I’d assume) cheaper

 

[Beachcomber72]

18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, all able to just do a pad swap. That dealer is absolutely screwing you.

 

[wibornz]

I bought the best brake pads that Orileiys have for my 2019 Rubicon. They came with a lifetime warranty. I replace them at 40,000 miles, wether they need them or not. Take the old ones into and Oriliey's will give you a new set of pads.

Brakes are easy, we have changed them out while out on extended wheeling trips. Here is a quick video of that I made because my bud who is a master mechanic and my other bud who builds 7 second drag cars did not know. It is my screw driver trick.



Then two bolts to remove the caliper and swap in the new pads and reassemble. It takes me just a few minutes per wheel to put new pads on. The most time consuming part of doing brakes is jacking up the Jeep and removing the tires.

The brake job you see in the video is done at camp out in the desert.

 

[roaniecowpony]

Jeep updated the front brake setup and you must purchase new rotors that are compatible with the new pad design. Here is the info

Front Pads
https://parts.allmoparparts.com/oem-parts/mopar-front-disc-brake-pad-kit-68635837aa

Front Rotors X2
https://parts.allmoparparts.com/oem-parts/mopar-brake-rotor-68564973aa

Rear Pads
https://parts.allmoparparts.com/oem-parts/mopar-pad-kit-front-disc-brake-68386838ad


Please use code VIP50SHIP for 50% off shipping.

Thank you!
- Benny

This is from All Mopar Parts. They indeed updated the brakes and you need to buy rotors if you are going with Mopar. Aftermarket you can just do the pads.

$134 is just for the pads. Mopar has all kinds of confusing illustrations for their parts sites, often showing the parts for next assemblies. I didn't see where you can't buy just pads. Besides, that's the wrong P/N for a JLUR front pad.

 

[Bryce]

I just replaced pads on the front of my JLUR a a few weeks back. easy job. Same rotors, just threw in new pads.

 

[cripton805]

They're saying the OEM brake pads and rotors were updated. They don't sell the old OEM pads anymore. The dealership is being forced to recommend a rotor swap too.

If you go with aftermarket pads, you can get those at any auto parts store.

 

[Valpo Jeep]

You can change just the pads but its recommended to have the rotors turned to provide a new surface to allow the pad and rotor to wear together. Not required, just recommended.

As far as replacing rotors, well it depends. If the rotor is warped then you have to at least turn the rotor to eliminate the warp provided there is enough thickness left in the rotor after they are turned. Or just buy new rotors and start fresh. When I replace rotors I always spray them down with brake cleaner to get the shipping oil off them so as to not contaminate the brand new pads.

 

[The Last Cowboy]

Why does anyone go to the dealer for stuff like this? Especially when the warranty is expired.

If your rotors aren't scored or you aren't getting pulsating when braking, you can simply replace the pads and bed them to the rotor. If the rotors are scored or "warped" then replace them. It's cheap and easy if you do it yourself. Don't bother turning them, it's not worth it. Almost all rotors are now made in China and are essentially disposable. They don't have the same heft of rotors of the past. They aren't really designed to be turned or "resurfaced".

Raybestos, Akebono and Hawk are good brands to consider for your replacements. Don't pay dealer prices. If you want Mopar, order the parts an line and do the job yourself. It's not much more difficult than a tire rotation. Don't forget to bed those new pads after you replace them.

 

[Willys41]

I have been a brake technician for well over 40 years
You may find this hard to believe put the worst out of round drums and rotors are brand new right out of the box
The other problem with new rotors is that the metal is not gone heating and cooling process and are more likely to warp
I have machined thousands of rotors and drums and the key to getting a good true surface is making sure all mounting surfaces are clean and free of rust and debris and the rotor is properly mounted on the brake lathe and that your lathe dose not have excessive run out ( mine has 0.002 run out)
Most technician do not and will not clean the mounting surface and keep the lathe clean free form metal chips. GARBAGE IN GARBAGE OUT
6 mouths ago I installed the Teraflex Delta brakes Knowing new rotors are going to warp and they did. So in the near future I will machine the rotors
The Teraflex Delta brakes are the best brake you will ever install on you Wrangler or Gladiator

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