MOAB...I just don't understand

[stil2low]

I know, right? But the cost of making the Moab more Rubi-esque, like the K02s and the flares (and the painting of the flares) gives me pause. The gentle(and not so gentle) ribbing on here gives me pause because paying more for less capability, and then paying more just for the looks (though the KO2s aren't looks, the KM2s just suck), gives me pause. A good read the other day,(I forget the publication), the author was mentioning the responsiveness of the AWD in poor conditions and how it helped him avoid a wreck, and then another forum member talking about climbing a hill (blacktop) in poor conditions, and not having the time to shift into 4WH to get up it comfortably. So many real world financial and practical decisions. Saharas sell the best 'round these parts, so a badder looking Sahara seems the best bet resale-wise. but, then again, I may never sell it, so, Hell...

I just want a Rubicon with a full-time 4WD option. i can add the rims and the stepper/sliders later. Is that too much to ask? The Moab is just a little too much country and not enough rock'n'roll. The Rubicon is just a little too much rock'n'roll, and not enough country. Damn, damn, damn, damn...gimme that 3.6 BSG and I'm in.

Want cheap KO’s then come up here, can’t even pay people to take those tires lol Even has a good buddy walk away from his order because they put the order in wrong and order 35” KO’s instead of KM’s lol

The Moab might be a little less capable in a tough rock crawl situation but is more capable in poor weather, loose sandy conditions. It’s all in what YOU are going to drive your Jeep through. And as far as resale, small margin. Hell I just traded in my 15 JK sport that I stripped most of the parts off of, had a $14,000 insurance hit on it from getting a new motor and still got 17,500 for it (purchased for 26,000)

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[Roky]

Meh. I’ll take my 48 year old wife who can help me pound a pizza and a 6 pack over her.

She’s sitting there isn’t she, just blink once for yes and twice for no. Shhhh.we gotchu..

 

[JC7]

Meh. I’ll take my 48 year old wife who can help me pound a pizza and a 6 pack over her.

You need help with a pizza and a 6 pack?

 

[Spartan99]

A six pack and a pizza would just about kill that skinny airbrushed clothes hanger. Not your wife, the one with the dent in her face, above. By the way, whaddaya, cradle robbing? Mine's 48 and a half...

She’s the cradle robber. I’m younger by 5 years.

I like real women too. That airbrushed/ fake boobs anorexic stuff is not my thing.

 

[Spartan99]

She’s sitting there isn’t she, just blink once for yes and twice for no. Shhhh.we gotchu..

That’s gold right there!!!!

 

[Spartan99]

You need help with a pizza and a 6 pack?

I did until my wife killed it almost singlehandedly. I’m a Californian. She’s a Midwestern girl. I blink and the beer and pizza disappears.

 

[EZMFE]

So...looking for actual feedback (I know, wrong thread, but maybe a few can simmah down and contribute):
I will never:
1. Crawl
2. Lift
3. Engage lockers/disconnect sway bar

I will:
1. Drive in mixed conditions, be that tarmac to snow, snow to mud, mud to sand, sand to tarmac, etc.
2. Put KO2s on any Jeep I buy
3. Swap any painted top for a black top
4. Have/put high-rise painted fender flares on any Jeep I buy
5. Remove any hood decals that scream about my small penis, be that RUBICON, MOAB or IHAVEASMALLPENIS (though funny...)

I prefer:
1. A turbo engine
2. Full-time four wheel drive

It turns out that the UK is getting my Jeep: a Rubicon with a 2.2 turbo diesel and Selec-trac.

Do I:
1. Move to Scotland, where they make the best whiskey and redheads, but are impossible to understand?(First choice/wife opposed)
2. Buy a Moab and make even more Rubi-conned mods (flares/tires) to make it look gooder, but live w/o the 2.0 turbo?
3. Buy a Rubi and make even more Moabish mods (wheels, rock rails) to make it look gooder, but live without full-time 4WD?

I know most responses will be douchey, but maybe there's some actual wisdom out there?

4. Buy a Sahara with the limited slip, select-trac, 2.0 turbo, and go from there.

 

[misanthrope]

4. Buy a Sahara with the limited slip, select-trac, 2.0 turbo, and go from there.

Too much to tear off of a Sahara. Wouldn't be cost effective, but it would get me the Turbo with Selec-Trac. See, just another solution with too many problems. All of my solutions present problems...

 

[Roky]

Too much to tear off of a Sahara. Wouldn't be cost effective, but it would get me the Turbo with Selec-Trac. See, just another solution with too many problems. All of my solutions present problems...

There seems to be a misconception about the rubicon. They’re not just for rock crawling. They will do just as good as a lsd in snow or mud even without lockers engaged. When in 4h and not locked the rubi still has ESC. Electronic stability control. When it’s on traction control uses the brakes and engine torque control to limit how fast the driven wheels can spin relative to the actual speed of the vehicle. It gets better. Also there is bld( brake lock differential) a feature that controls wheel speed side to side on a given axle. So even if your in snow or mud and you don’t want esc you just push the button to turn it off. However the bld remains enabled. So you see unless you’ve actually driven a rubicon in this situation , then I would simply ask that you reserve judgment until you try it.
Ok.... I’m done with this serious crap... back to the fun!

 

[misanthrope]

There seems to be a misconception about the rubicon. They’re not just for rock crawling. They will do just as good as a lsd in snow or mud even without lockers engaged. When in 4h and not locked the rubi still has ESC. Electronic stability control. When it’s on traction control uses the brakes and engine torque control to limit how fast the driven wheels can spin relative to the actual speed of the vehicle. It gets better. Also there is bld( brake lock differential) a feature that controls wheel speed side to side on a given axle. So even if your in snow or mud and you don’t want esc you just push the button to turn it off. However the bld remains enabled. So you see unless you’ve actually driven a rubicon in this situation , then I would simply ask that you reserve judgment until you try it.
Ok.... I’m done with this serious crap... back to the fun!

I think, maybe, you replied to the wrong post?

 

[Roky]

I think, maybe, you replied to the wrong post?

It’s a general statement, sorry, it was meant for all Moab’s and Sahara people, you were just at wrong place at wrong time. Didn’t mean to push reply.

 

[EZMFE]

Too much to tear off of a Sahara. Wouldn't be cost effective, but it would get me the Turbo with Selec-Trac. See, just another solution with too many problems. All of my solutions present problems...

For me there was no consideration on what model I was going to get but lets look at your interests:

I will never:
1. Crawl - Sport/Sahara/MOAB
2. Lift - MOAB/Rubicon
3. Engage lockers/disconnect sway bar - Sport/Sahara/MOAB

I will:
1a. Limited Slip - Sport/Sahara/MOAB
1b. Wide Track - Front and Rear Lockers - Rubicon
1c. Select-Trac - Sahara/MOAB
2. KO2 - Rubicon
3. Black top - Sport/Sahara/Rubicon
4. high-rise painted fender flares - Rubicon
5. Small penis - MOAB

I prefer:
1. A turbo engine - Sport/Sahara/Rubicon
2. Full-time four wheel drive - Sahara/MOAB

Sport - 5
Sahara - 7
MOAB - 7
Rubicon - 6

Before adding any value of what is more important to you, I would say MOAB is in your best interest.

 

[misanthrope]

It’s a general statement, sorry, it was meant for all Moab’s and Sahara people, you were just at wrong place at wrong time. Didn’t mean to push reply.

But here's the thing:you still have all of that 4x4 tech on a Moab. You just lose lockers and disco for full-time 4x4. If you're never going to use the Rubi goodies, why pay for them? No one is dissing the Rubi's ability on all conditions. I've successfully driven many part-time set ups in just about any condition imaginable. I would never trade part-time 4x4 Hi/Lo for full-time on a Jeep, but since the Moab gets both, why not?

 

[Roky]

But here's the thing:you still have all of that 4x4 tech on a Moab. You just lose lockers and disco for full-time 4x4. If you're never going to use the Rubi goodies, why pay for them? No one is dissing the Rubi's ability on all conditions. I've successfully driven many part-time set ups in just about any condition imaginable. I would never trade part-time 4x4 Hi/Lo for full-time on a Jeep, but since the Moab gets both, why not?

It’s more of explanation of why lsd isn’t any better in the snow and mud situations. It seems a lot of people stereotype rubicon as only a rock crawler, was just helping people to understand why it’s not. However your really not paying any more for rubicon than with Moab, aren’t they close to same price?

 

[Drveovru]

It’s like some rubicon owners can't understand the marketing appeal and smart business of creating a Moab....everyone one has a rubicon, Moab’s will be a small run that not everyone will have. People will pay more for something that is different. It’s just good business to sell a product that stands out. Moab has a limited run in the jk, they will most likely do the same in the Jl. Who wants to be like ever other Jeep owner with a rubicon,when you can be different....the general public will not care about the mechanical difference , they will only see something that hasn’t been mass produced the last 15 years .

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