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[yokramer]

It has the wrong springs on it. Here we go again. Jeep doesn’t want to fix it. Jeep doesn’t care.

See, @gek already went thru the whole Jeep spring mess with you, but you think you know better so you dont listen. Its just like the engine cover, you think youve been wronged and your boomer brain cant let it go and you think youre owed what you wrongly think should have come on your Jeep. Calm your tits move on with your life and enjoy the Jeep, or sell it back and get a Camry you probably would be better off in.

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[Ratbert]

You haven’t shown me anything. If It bothers you so much , why do you keep responding?

Because you keep repeating fallacious crap that directly contradicts the evidence that you've been shown?

If I'm wrong then please show me where I've stated something wrong. Here's how that's done:

On August 8, 2022, I went to the dealer and ordered my new JL. A little after ordering it, the price went up $6000. Jeep decided to start deleting parts after that,
engine cover, insulation panels on the roof and who knows what else.

Back in December of the year 2021: https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/forum/threads/no-more-engine-covers-on-the-3-6.84370/

Evidence of the deletion of engine covers on the 3.6L v6 was being discussed 235 days prior to you ordering yours.

Does that evidence indicate that you might be mistaken?

 

[John Benoit]

See, @gek already went thru the whole Jeep spring mess with you, but you think you know better so you dont listen. Its just like the engine cover, you think youve been wronged and your boomer brain cant let it go and you think youre owed what you wrongly think should have come on your Jeep. Calm your tits move on with your life and enjoy the Jeep, or sell it back and get a Camry you probably would be better off in.

I don’t listen to bs about springs. I have proven it has stock springs on it and have given part numbers for the correct springs. Jeep doesn’t want to fix their mistake. Why do you keep rehashing this?

 

[John Benoit]

Because you keep repeating fallacious crap that directly contradicts the evidence that you've been shown?

If I'm wrong then please show me where I've stated something wrong. Here's how that's done:


Back in December of the year 2021: https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/forum/threads/no-more-engine-covers-on-the-3-6.84370/

Evidence of the deletion of engine covers on the 3.6L v6 was being discussed 235 days prior to you ordering yours.

Does that evidence indicate that you might be mistaken?

You haven’t shown any proof of what you have said. I prove my Jeep has the wrong springs then you attack it as if it is not an XR. I prove that then you go back to the engine cover. Please let it go. You seem to think you’re in charge of this forum, and want to control it. You can’t even stop responding for 5 minutes.

 

[gek]

You haven’t shown any proof of what you have said. I prove my Jeep has the wrong springs then you attack it as if it is not an XR. I prove that then you go back to the engine cover. Please let it go. You seem to think you’re in charge of this forum, and want to control it. You can’t even stop responding for 5 minutes.

I don’t listen to bs about springs. I have proven it has stock springs on it and have given part numbers for the correct springs. Jeep doesn’t want to fix their mistake. Why do you keep rehashing this?

You did prove you ordered an XR(or at least has the window sticker for one), you still hasn't proved that you received a "stock Rubicon with 35 inch tires"* which could be proven with a pic of your bumpstops.

Burden of proof is on the accuser, you are accusing Jeep you need to actually prove to us your accusations are true with links or images.

So far you have only proven that you have an XR window sticker.

As far as the other proof, all we have is your word, which we do not trust. Give us link or images proving your case.

If you have all this proof that your springs are wrong, your Jeep is wrong, or anything else is wrong, and you show us in a well thought out argument with actual facts with links or images, we will gladly jump to your side.

However, if you continue to make allegations without proof we have no reason to believe you.

Another response of "I did prove it" is not sufficient, give us links to the actually post where you provided this proof as your word is not proof enough.

*quote taken from this post from OP: https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/forum/threads/jd-powers-survey.121339/post-2526880

 

[gek]

You did prove you ordered an XR(or at least has the window sticker for one), you still hasn't proved that you received a "stock Rubicon with 35 inch tires"* which could be proven with a pic of your bumpstops.

Burden of proof is on the accuser, you are accusing Jeep you need to actually prove to us your accusations are true with links or images.

So far you have only proven that you have an XR window sticker.

As far as the other proof, all we have is your word, which we do not trust. Give us link or images proving your case.

If you have all this proof that your springs are wrong, your Jeep is wrong, or anything else is wrong, and you show us in a well thought out argument with actual facts with links or images, we will gladly jump to your side.

However, if you continue to make allegations without proof we have no reason to believe you.

Another response of "I did prove it" is not sufficient, give us links to the actually post where you provided this proof as your word is not proof enough.

*quote taken from this post from OP: https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/forum/threads/jd-powers-survey.121339/post-2526880

TL;DR: We are not going to go to war with you based on your word alone.

 

[John Benoit]

You did prove you ordered an XR(or at least has the window sticker for one), you still hasn't proved that you received a "stock Rubicon with 35 inch tires"* which could be proven with a pic of your bumpstops.

Burden of proof is on the accuser, you are accusing Jeep you need to actually prove to us your accusations are true with links or images.

So far you have only proven that you have an XR window sticker.

As far as the other proof, all we have is your word, which we do not trust. Give us link or images proving your case.

If you have all this proof that your springs are wrong, your Jeep is wrong, or anything else is wrong, and you show us in a well thought out argument with actual facts with links or images, we will gladly jump to your side.

However, if you continue to make allegations without proof we have no reason to believe you.

Another response of "I did prove it" is not sufficient, give us links to the actually post where you provided this proof as your word is not proof enough.

*quote taken from this post from OP: https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/forum/threads/jd-powers-survey.121339/post-2526880

Go to Moper Oem Online parts and look up the spring numbers. You can also get good discounts on factory parts there. Make sure it is the one in Texas.

 

[John Benoit]

TL;DR: We are not going to go to war with you based on your word alone.

You seem to be the ones attacking me. I am just trying to let people know how Jeep is screwing them. Maybe you like being cheated. Maybe you work for Jeep and are just trying to discredit me.

 

[Ratbert]

You haven’t shown any proof of what you have said. I prove my Jeep has the wrong springs then you attack it as if it is not an XR. I prove that then you go back to the engine cover. Please let it go. You seem to think you’re in charge of this forum, and want to control it. You can’t even stop responding for 5 minutes.

Have I ever said anything questioning your shock claims? No, because that's not something that I'm aware of or have significant knowledge of. But as far as I can tell you haven't proved anything in that arena and seem to repeatedly ignore the details that others have provided.

Your repeated erroneous engine cover claims, however, are so fallacious that a simpleton "Anus" like myself can simply use posts on this forum to disprove your ludicrous timeline. While, of course, you continue to wave around an apparently blank sheet of paper as evidence of some document that goes against the clear historical record.

All that you need to say is something along the lines of "Man, I was mistaken about the engine cover thing" and then it's no longer appropriate for us to rag on you about such ludicrous claims.

 

[John Benoit]

TL;DR: We are not going to go to war with you based on your word alone.

If anyone else has a bump stop 1 inch away from the front axle, got screwed the same way I did. They need to check the part number on their springs. Here your proof

 

[gek]

Go to Moper Oem Online parts and look up the spring numbers. You can also get good discounts on factory parts there. Make sure it is the one in Texas.

So you are saying you want me to get your proof for you ... fine, this one time, but you're not going to like it.

 

[Ratbert]

You seem to be the ones attacking me. I am just trying to let people know how Jeep is screwing them. Maybe you like being cheated. Maybe you work for Jeep and are just trying to discredit me.

Wow, another conspiracy theory? Wow.

 

[John Benoit]

Have I ever said anything questioning your shock claims? No, because that's not something that I'm aware of or have significant knowledge of. But as far as I can tell you haven't proved anything in that arena and seem to repeatedly ignore the details that others have provided.

Your repeated erroneous engine cover claims, however, are so fallacious that a simpleton "Anus" like myself can simply use posts on this forum to disprove your ludicrous timeline. While, of course, you continue to wave around an apparently blank sheet of paper as evidence of some document that goes against the clear historical record.

All that you need to say is something along the lines of "Man, I was mistaken about the engine cover thing" and then it's no longer appropriate for us to rag on you about such ludicrous claims.

The point which and everyone else can’t seem to grasp is if their XR only has one inch of clearance between the bump stops and the front axle, they probably got screwed the same as me. They should be checking those spring part numbers to see. But the gang would rather attack me. Why can’t you let it go.

 

[yokramer]

The point which and everyone else can’t seem to grasp is if their XR only has one inch of clearance between the bump stops and the front axle, they probably got screwed the same as me. They should be checking those spring part numbers to see. But the gang would rather attack me. Why can’t you let it go.

So you are saying that Jeep put the "wrong" springs on EVERY XR?

 

[John Benoit]

Wow, another conspiracy theory? Wow.

You definitely must work for Jeep with you constantly trying to deflect my responses. You need to let it go. Please don’t respond to this thread again.

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