GOODBYE EcoDiesel; HELLO FUEL EFFICIENCY!!!

[driventoadventure]

Let's be honest here, that's true of most vehicles.

I work with a lot of guys who have older '80s and '90s Chevys and Rams, all diesels, and they all have 200,000 plus miles on each of them, though one guy only has 180,000. The longest lasting one is a guy with a '92 Ram 2500 with a big old cow catcher on the front, lifted and he has over 490,000 mi on his.

I think a lot of the issue with these modern diesels is the emission systems. You can get these more modern diesels to higher miles with the emission systems equipped, It just cost you a lot more in the long run. I think most people in general don't keep their vehicles very long, more so when keeping it long-term cost you twice as much.

Let's be honest here, an EcoDiesel without the emission system is going to last way longer than an EcoDiesel with the emission system. There's a reason I'm planning on swapping out to a Cummins 5.9 at some point in the future.

I'm not sure exactly what a deleted EcoDiesel could get to, but I know most people with non-deleted ones are getting about 200,000-350,000 mi out of them before they're going to kaputz. There's a guy with a second gen EcoDiesel on the RAM forums who has a 450,000 mile deleted EcoDiesel, and it's still going strong with relatively minor upkeep comparatively.

So I guess my rebuttal is that's true of most vehicles, and especially when your diesel cost a boatload of money over a gaser just to get to the same end result.

But hey, at least my battery is not exploding!

It's all a matter of maintenance though. I had an emissions compliant 6.0 which I personally put >400k on and aside from having to replace the EGR cooler with a more robust one, and all of the injectors because the previous owner never changed the fuel filter once in ~100k miles, I only performed routine maintenance - which on a 6.0 includes regular changing and cleaning of the coolant and was a great way to learn cooling systems. Oh, I did have to change the ECU because of failing capacitors, but that's not emissions related. My brother's 3500 with a fully emissions compliant (DEF and everything) RAM from 2014 has had nothing but regular maintenance for >350k miles.

I think most people get rid of them "early" because of warranties and things like that. I know a significant number of people who get rid of their vehicles after 5 years, regardless of mileage, just because they're "old." Hell, I worked for/with a guy who would get new cars every few months just because he didn't want to deal with maintenance.

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[driventoadventure]

ITT:

 

[halsjeep]

IT'S OFFICIAL!!!

Picked 'er up Friday after work!

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I have owned a 4xe since 2021. Love it but after that 20-25 miles of electric range is gone its still a Jeep gas guzzler. So I went out and bought a diesel Gladiator.

 

[DwnSth]

Good luck with that fuel efficiency. I rented a 4xe to see how it compared to the diesel. Barely got 20mpg on ICE and I could never find a charging station that worked with the 4xe plug. Conceptually good idea but unless you have solar at home and offset or cheaper overnight elec it was much more expensive to operate than my diesel - at least in my short test. Diesel in on 37''s very heavy with full skids lift rack etc. Still gets 24mpg on highway. Not sure how the 4xe would be on 37's.

 

[Deleted User 38384]

I'm guessing nobody watched the video I made. ?‍

I thought it was about a sarcastic as a video can get. The thumbs up at the end, God it has me laughing every time I rewatch it.

 

[JLeco2022]

I'm guessing nobody watched the video I made. ?‍

I thought it was about a sarcastic as a video can get. The thumbs up at the end, God it has me laughing every time I rewatch it.

honestly i read headline glance at some of the text, make meritless comments and eat popcorn. im not spose to invest in peoples lives and videos? 2024 sucks

 

[Mine&Hers]

You just need this sticker, to complete the look.

 

[Sgthandy]

I don't know how I feel about that weld, but I've been looking into finding dimensions on a lot of these Suzuki Jimny mods. At minimum I could always drill another hole in the Wrangler and use this.

Just look at those welds!

 

[Deleted User 38384]

have you ever worked on a car before?

I'm not really sure where you're going with your line of questioning, so outlined below is a rather extensive list of most of the things I've done. I'm sure I forgetting plenty of things I do or have done to our vehicles over the years. In general I tend to think of myself as pretty knowledgeable with vehicles in general. Most of my family members and friends will come to me with questions or advice or if they need help working on their vehicle. I'm a cheapskate in some ways, so I like to do all my own labor myself if I can help it.


I had a Toyota Camry, and I did a couple of interesting things in there including a little bit of wiring on the subwoofer in the back, along with making my own coolant hose because they wanted $200 for The OEM one on a 12-year-old vehicle, and that wasn't about to happen. So I got my own coolant hose made for about $20 from home Depot. Surprisingly enough it was actually better quality than the hose they were going to sell me for 10 times as much. I also replaced the radiator on that thing. That was actually a strangely easy job, it was also the job that made me realize that working on vehicles is fun.

I had my 2016 Patriot, and I had a engine knock sensor go right after my battery went to shit, it was confusing for about 4 months until I figured out what it was and then through watching a video on YouTube about a Grand Cherokee, and realizing once I got under the vehicle that it was the same setup, I was able to swap it out myself. That's also the fix that made me realize that certain parts need to be Mopar products. You can only get away with cheaper versions of things in certain cases.

And then I think we all know my Wrangler is just me on steroids. I mean I don't know anyone else with a third gen EcoDiesel who was both willing and did the research to figure out that you can safely run a second gen oil filter cap and oil filter, and then willingly do it.

Also the wife's Subaru Forester Sport, I've done a little bit of cosmetic stuff to that, including adding some spacers on the suspension to give it an extra inch of clearance for the 29-in tires I put on there. Also I equipped her with a Hubb reusable billet aluminum oil filter. It's pretty badass and it's really easy to clean, the hardest part about it like most filters which are reusable, getting it to dry when you're changing your filters in the winter.

I just had the Subarus vanity mirror light stopped working and so I played with that little bit and fixed it. It was really just a wear and tear issue, but it took me about 3 hours to identify what the issue was and fix it. Also something to look forward to is the automatic seats on the driver side of the wife Subaru, they all work just fine but up and down don't. So I've looked it up and it looks like the only fix that will be cheap is taking apart the toggle controls on the seat breaking it down to the basic pieces cleaning the contacts and then reassembling it all back together without losing the ball bearings that are loosely inside. So I'll be doing that at some point in the future, though I'm not really looking forward to it so I keep putting it off. However if that doesn't fix it it's going to have to be a new toggle panel piece which is about 130 bucks. So let's hope that the cleaning fixes it. ?

Beyond that I do all the maintenance on our vehicles myself, including swapping out the halogen bulbs in all the vehicles we have for LEDs, though that's kind of basic. Oil changes, general maintenance like cleaning the throttle body on our Subaru which will happen at 60,000 miles, I'll do that myself at home. Honestly after watching a couple videos about it it's really really simple. I plan on doing my transmission fluid change on the Wrangler at 50,000 mi and will be replacing the transmission oil pan at that moment as well to make future oil changes a lot easier.

I'm not sure yet if I'm going Install my suspension lift whenever I do do that myself on the Wrangler. I guess it depends what I'm doing for work at that point and how much free time I have.

Also at 50,000 mi I'm going to pull apart the intake manifold on the Wrangler and clean out all of the soot in there. I saw a guy do it on the 1500 forums and he linked to a YouTube video of him doing it, it's definitely something which needs to be done on the EcoDiesels. Not something I would want to let go past 50,000 miles. Shouldn't be terribly complicated, but I mean you are pulling apart the engine so you got to be careful all the same.

I do all my own wiring, some of it is a little shoddy, but some of it looks pretty professional. I'll say this much I've seen dealerships that do shittier wiring than I do.



Do I know my way around a vehicle? Yeah I do. Do I know everything? Definitely not! However I want to learn as much as I can and am continuingly challenging myself doing things that I don't feel comfortable doing like the intake manifold on the Wrangler because it helps me grow. Like most things, you do it once, it's easier next time.

 

[Deleted User 38384]

Just look at those welds!

I KNOW RIGHT!! ?

I looked up some photos of the Jimny's online, yesterday and compared it to the dimensions of that same area in the Wrangler, the width of the side of the window frame, much bigger on the Wrangler, so I ended up deleting those from my cart on AliExpress. Not an option as it turns out. ?

 

[gnome]

Just look at those welds!

..."For shame, for shame, for shame".(Gomer Pyle)..I would be ashamed to: make a weld like that, sell a weld like that, buy a weld like that, or put a weld like that on my jeep... I'm also ashamed of the factory welding on my jeep, but that's another rant...

 

[Ohio812]

Damn the 4xe is purring like a well fed cat.

 

[Shibadog]

Just an observation. people buy a diesel for the longevity, but never keep them long.

Modern emissions controlled diesels are not a good fit for folks whose primary use is very short trips (lots and lots of regens). If you actually cover any distance (like a dozen miles or so) before you typically shut it off, they work pretty well. I’d buy a 2 dr Jeepdiesel in a heartbeat if they made such a beast.

 

[autotragic]

I'm guessing nobody watched the video I made. ?‍

I thought it was about a sarcastic as a video can get. The thumbs up at the end, God it has me laughing every time I rewatch it.

Some people never saw Jeff Foxworthy apparently.

 

[SargeDiesel]

IT'S OFFICIAL!!!

Picked 'er up Friday after work!

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Hey you trader ....
well atleast its Sarge Green... so I will give a slight pass...
BUT
Does the 4 X E .... really mean that it is
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