FRAM Ultra @20K Miles

[CarbonSteel]

That's good to know and gives me pause as to why you would push maintenance intervals beyond what common sense dictates.



When you race for points/money then it's important to do a teardown after each event.



Those recommendations are to meet EPA standards. We must also realize most consumers do not keep vehicles long enough to realize the damage being done by sloppy maintenance.



They are all the same. Blackstone being the more common and widely used.

So, no data to substantiate any of your claims, just conjecture, opinion, and at best anecdotal information. Check.

Feel free to scroll right past my posts since neither of us are going to agree on this topic and there is ZERO value added by your comments since they cannot be factually substantiated.

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[OllieChristopher]

So, no data to substantiate any of your claims, just conjecture, opinion, and at best anecdotal information. Check.

Feel free to scroll right past my posts since neither of us are going to agree on this topic and there is ZERO value added by your comments since they cannot be factually substantiated.

It's called experience. And true neither one of us will ever agree to looking at a sheet of paper with numbers vs a micrometer, visual inspections and parts in hand.

BTW, none of your claims can be proven either. For all we know you are posting pictures from a google search. Members here will just have to trust that both you and I are honest and forthcoming. We just do things different in determining maintenance requirements.

 

[AlgUSF]

Well it is a Honda, after all

Compared to a Honda D Engine, the Pentastar is much more complex. I typically turn my own wrench and plan on doing the same with my Jeep. I've done some research into the Pentastar and really hope a lot of the rocker arm issues are a thing of the past.

I do think that Honda's reliability is a bit overstated with the newer vehicles. The (non-ZF) transmission they bolted to the 3.5V-6 is horrible. Everytime I pull the drain plug I cringe at the amount of metal filings on it.

This is my first legacy Chrysler product and I'm going to keep Stellantis on the hook for the warranty. I hope to hit 50,000mi right at 5 years. I have 3 "Jeep Wave" changes, and won't pull off the service drive without pulling the dipstick.

 

[CarbonSteel]

It's called experience. And true neither one of us will ever agree to looking at a sheet of paper with numbers vs a micrometer, visual inspections and parts in hand.

BTW, none of your claims can be proven either. For all we know you are posting pictures from a google search. Members here will just have to trust that both you and I are honest and forthcoming. We just do things different in determining maintenance requirements.

Experience is like a particular body part--everyone has it, but unless it can be quantified by objective third parties, it is about as worthy as free advice on the Internet. I do have the data that I paid for that supports what I am saying and it is objective and is certified by a third party.

For those who want to use the data, I shared it freely, never told anyone that what I am doing is "best" nor did I say that anyone should do what I do. Make your own choices, but bring data to dispute what I am saying and not conjecture, unsubstantiated claims, or examples from 30 years ago about failing engines and oil filters--the world has moved on in 30 years.

 

[Hearhear]

Anyone who doesn’t change their oil filter per the recommended factory intervals is playing Russian roulette with their Jeep engine. Period. Know what backs up my opinion? The Jeep owners manual. And that’s not obsolete information from a bygone era. I’m not basing my engine maintenance on what Fram says LOL!! This whole thread is ridiculous, pointless, and just crazy.

 

[OllieChristopher]

Anyone who doesn’t change their oil filter per the recommended factory intervals is playing Russian roulette with their Jeep engine. Period. Know what backs up my opinion? The Jeep owners manual. And that’s not obsolete information from a bygone era. I’m not basing my engine maintenance on what Fram says LOL!! This whole thread is ridiculous, pointless, and just crazy.

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Make your own choices, but bring data to dispute what I am saying and not conjecture, unsubstantiated claims, or examples from 30 years ago about failing engines and oil filters--the world has moved on in 30 years.

Here you go from just a few weeks ago. Oil starvation due to oil line failure. Had to pull the engine apart. Granted it is only a 50cc but My brother was one happy guy when I got the parts and repaired it!!

 

[CarbonSteel]

It's called experience. And true neither one of us will ever agree to looking at a sheet of paper with numbers vs a micrometer, visual inspections and parts in hand.

BTW, none of your claims can be proven either. For all we know you are posting pictures from a google search. Members here will just have to trust that both you and I are honest and forthcoming. We just do things different in determining maintenance requirements.

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Here you go from just a few weeks ago. Oil starvation due to oil line failure. Had to pull the engine apart. Granted it is only a 50cc but My brother was one happy guy when I got the parts and repaired it!!

How does any of this tie into this thread? A failed oil line on a 50cc engine relates to an oil filter guaranteed to run 20K miles how?

Thanks, but I'm done with this conversation. I agree to disagree with your stance as you have with mine.

Enough said.

 

[CarbonSteel]

Anyone who doesn’t change their oil filter per the recommended factory intervals is playing Russian roulette with their Jeep engine. Period. Know what backs up my opinion? The Jeep owners manual. And that’s not obsolete information from a bygone era. I’m not basing my engine maintenance on what Fram says LOL!! This whole thread is ridiculous, pointless, and just crazy.

Good for you-- you shouldn't and that is your choice.

 

[Wolfy]

Although I can appreciate the science behind figuring out if you can go 20K with the same filter, that's not something I'm interested in trying myself. The price of a filter is pretty insignificant when compared with the total cost of an oil change and amortized over the miles between changes. I'm just gonna keep changing my filter when I change my oil, ...because, for me, that's easier than figuring out the oil/filter longevity curves, but thanks for posting the experiment, and the results of your filter test.

 

[srt20]

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Here you go from just a few weeks ago. Oil starvation due to oil line failure. Had to pull the engine apart. Granted it is only a 50cc but My brother was one happy guy when I got the parts and repaired it!!

Lol, what does a 2 stroke have anything to do with a 20K oil filter?
Are you just trying to prove that you know what you are talking about by fixing a simple 2 stroke?

 

[OllieChristopher]

Lol, what does a 2 stroke have anything to do with a 20K oil filter?
Are you just trying to prove that you know what you are talking about by fixing a simple 2 stroke?

I'm showing what happens when you disregard simple maintenance. Running a filter for 20K miles is no different than my brother not following the service schedule of his scooter. Both can lead to expensive engine repairs.

Any monkey can repair a 2T. I'm proof of that!! LOL

 

[gsbrockman]

Anyone who doesn’t change their oil filter per the recommended factory intervals is playing Russian roulette with their Jeep engine. Period. Know what backs up my opinion? The Jeep owners manual. And that’s not obsolete information from a bygone era. I’m not basing my engine maintenance on what Fram says LOL!! This whole thread is ridiculous, pointless, and just crazy.

In a nutshell.....not changing the oil filter is almost like eating a Whopper and large onion rings at Burger King on Monday, taking a schitttttttt on Tuesday, without wiping, and wearing the same underwear through Sunday.

 

[Vinman]

I have been using Wix filters for the last decade or so without issue and the 3.6 JL is the first vehicle I use synthetic oil in 100% of the time.
That being said, in 41 years of driving at least 1.5 million miles over about 35-40 vehicles ranging from new to nearly 250k miles on them I have never had an oil related failure. After the first decade of driving I have been meticulous with maintenance on all my vehicles.

 

[roaniecowpony]

Whoppers, onion rings, old filters, overheated 2-stroke, wiping or not wiping, even some stuff about jeeps...there's a lot here to take in.

Since we're covering soup to nuts, just wanted to mention JWST just successfully launched and is the assent part of the flight. A space telescope my wife worked on before retiring.

 

[DanW]

Funny how what someone else chooses

I'm showing what happens when you disregard simple maintenance. Running a filter for 20K miles is no different than my brother not following the service schedule of his scooter. Both can lead to expensive engine repairs.

Any monkey can repair a 2T. I'm proof of that!! LOL

You left out a small couple of details. It's a filter designed to run 20k in an engine that is easy on oil.

The example you posted has no relevance to what's going on here. @CarbonSteel is the most meticulous forum member I've seen when it comes to maintenance and monitoring the mechanical condition of his Jeep. We should be thanking him for showing us the vast width of the safety margin on this filter. Otherwise, we'd just be guessing. Instead, we get peace of mind when we're running one from 5k to 10k miles, knowing we're not stressing it in any way.

One more thought....it is HIS engine. It's called freedom. It never ceases to amaze me how people get a large biting insect lodged deeply in the colon when someone does something of which they don't approve.

Sit back and watch what he does, and learn from it. He's giving you great data and knowledge here on his dime and risk, although I believe he is taking a far more careful approach than many here realize.

Thanks, @CarbonSteel for sharing this! I find it fascinating and very informative.

And potentially very helpful if the supply chain woes hit oil filters and we are forced to look at longer runs on oil and filters.

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