Diesel coming back!?

[DarthAWM]

Just saying but the 2.8 4 cyl from Cummins would be a better market fit

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[Dusty Dude]

Just saying but the 2.8 4 cyl from Cummins would be a better market fit

This^^^

I didn’t buy a diesel specifically because I knew the “little Italian” would be harder to get parts for and it wouldn’t have the reliability that Cummins is known for. Even if the Cummins had an issue, I could get parts and get it repaired practically anywhere in the country.

 

[2nd 392]

You're both right. For the roughly 10% of buyers who choose a manual transmission, the diesel effectively becomes a $6,000 option. For the other 90% who prefer an automatic, it's more accurately viewed as a $4,000 option. If I had to make a singlular statement, I'd call it a $4,000 option because that's the reality for the overwhelming majority of Wrangler buyers.

The same logic applies to the number of doors. Before my EcoDiesel, I had purchased four new 2-door Wranglers with automatic transmissions. When I wanted the diesel, however, I had no choice but to buy a 4-door—my first one ever. Even so, if someone asked me what the diesel option cost, I wouldn't include the price difference associated with the extra two doors.

What really annoyed me was having to buy LED lights in order to buy factory steel bumpers - I hardly ever drive at night. Did that make the steel bumper group a $3K option in 2020? I suppose one could look at it that way.

Precisely- Or trim jump if you want a particular option. The whole schbang if that option was a V8. Price comparison is valid for comparably equipped.
I spent time and effort optioning up a Rubi diesel as close as possible to the V8. Even the cost of parts for a small lift (pre XR), iron knuckles not added because I thought diesel’s got them, nor the 7.5” 44 mm BCD’s. … The V8 was ultimately a mid $5K option over the diesel. ….. Sold.

 

[Ratbert]

As i said beforebwhen we had thisbvery same arguement, I agree that one could argue semantics and how one looks at things, whether it is the cost from a base Jeep Rubocon with a manual or one with an automatic. In the end, it really doesn't matter and not something worth spending the time we already have arguing over. If this really bothers you that I view it as a $6k option versus a base Jeep Rubicon with a manual, then fine I will say a $4k option this time. Happy?

Now please, stop letting such trivial things bother you.

With that logic it was a ~$10K+ option for those that wanted a 2 door.

 

[ALeeL]

With that logic it was a ~$10K+ option for those that wanted a 2 door.

I would not think so since it is completely different model, but if that is the way someone looks at it then it would not bother me enough to make to make a post about it. Although even many review sites like Motor Trend broke it down that way - which it is common to state the costs from a base model. Heck, even the Jeep media reps and engineers at Easter Jeep Safari in Moab broke it down that way when I questioned them about it.

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2020-jeep-wrangler-diesel-cost-6000-gas-powered-model

 

[BDinTX]

Just saying but the 2.8 4 cyl from Cummins would be a better market fit

Maybe it could be used for aa engine swap one day?

 

[Guv]

What do EPA mileage estimates have to do with real world numbers after the vehicle has been modified? Any reduction in fuel economy is solely on the owner at that point.

 

[F4Flyer]

I'd certainly be interested in a small diesel by Cummins but as usually, the emissions equipment will keep me away. It is a bummer since diesel has some real advantages, but I get why it is required. Gas is simpler and does not mind short trips so it is fine. I just wish the 3.6 had 20 more ft/lbs of torque.

 

[Oilburner]

Just saying but the 2.8 4 cyl from Cummins would be a better market fit

150hp/ 300ftlbs ain’t gonna cut it bro-

 

[Guv]

150hp/ 300ftlbs ain’t gonna cut it bro-

Exactly, unless you can do 0-60 in 6 seconds and get 30 mpg people think it’s useless.
For myself, I wouldn’t mind a reliable 150/300, didn’t buy my jeep for drag racing.

 

[zouch]

not clear how you worded your questions to the "the Jeep media reps and engineers at Easter Jeep Safari", but it seems that article you linked was close to accurate.
"...$3,250 more than a base V-6 Wrangler equipped with the eight-speed automatic."

I would not think so since it is completely different model, but if that is the way someone looks at it then it would not bother me enough to make to make a post about it. Although even many review sites like Motor Trend broke it down that way - which it is common to state the costs from a base model. Heck, even the Jeep media reps and engineers at Easter Jeep Safari in Moab broke it down that way when I questioned them about it.

https://www.motortrend.com/news/2020-jeep-wrangler-diesel-cost-6000-gas-powered-model

 

[ALeeL]

not clear how you worded your questions to the "the Jeep media reps and engineers at Easter Jeep Safari", but it seems that article you linked was close to accurate.
"...$3,250 more than a base V-6 Wrangler equipped with the eight-speed automatic."

You are picking and choosing what you want to hear so you can say that you are right. I am saying that neither one of us is right or wrong and depends on where you are starting from. Just like in the article that you are only picking one side, they even stated that if you start from a base model manual, then it is $6k($4k for the diesel and $2k for the transmission). They also state that it will be less if you are staring form an automatic. Yet, you choose to only quote the side that you agree with.

In regards to my comment you quoted "the Jeep media reps and engineers at Easter Jeep Safari", you also only snipped a portion of that sentence. The whole sentence was " Heck, even the Jeep media reps and engineers at Easter Jeep Safari in Moab broke it down that way when I questioned them about it." meaning that it was when I (not the article) asked them.

I am the steering and driveline PLM for my company and a major customer of Dana/Eaton who invite me to the Moab Easter Jeep Safari for the past several years where I get to speak with and trail with many of the Jeep engineers. This was this years trips— Diesel held it's own...... I was at the Easter Jeep Safari event when they introduced the Diesel years ago and they even said it was a $6k option over the base Rubicon. I never said that was from the article.

And yes, even at the 150 truck dealers my company has across the US and Canada, when we quote an option upcharge, it is from a base truck, not one that already as another upgraded option.

 

[ALeeL]

150hp/ 300ftlbs ain’t gonna cut it bro-

The reason why it is 150/300 is due to it being a crate diesel engine with no distinct vehicle it goes in from the factory. Because of this, the emissions requirements are more strict and has to go through an engine dyno certification rather than a chassis dyno certification for a complete vehicle. If it were placed in an OE vehicle, then it would be able to make more power due to a less restrictive emissions requirement.

This is the same reason why cab-and-chassis trucks have lower power numbers than their pickup version. The pickup is complete and can go through a less restrictive chassis dyno certification. The cab-and-chassis is not complete and they do not know what the end truck will be from the factory so they put them through a more restrictive engine dyno certification. Basically, if they don't know what the end vehicle will be or it is not a complete vehicle from the factory, then it defaults to the most restrictive emissions tier.

 

[zouch]

i'm only focusing on your repeated statement that the diesel added $6K to the price of the vehicle, and your various attempts to support that statement by including the cost of a transmission, and not comparing it to a similarly equipped vehicle.
even the article you've linked show that it didn't, but that article was all over the place..

the EcoD was ~$4k more than a similarly equipped vehicle (sometimes less). that's simply the math.

You are picking and choosing what you want to hear so you can say that you are right. I am saying that neither one of us is right or wrong and depends on where you are starting from. Just like in the article that you are only picking one side, they even stated that if you start from a base model manual, then it is $6k($4k for the diesel and $2k for the transmission). They also state that it will be less if you are staring form an automatic. Yet, you choose to only quote the side that you agree with.

In regards to my comment you quoted "the Jeep media reps and engineers at Easter Jeep Safari", you also only snipped a portion of that sentence. The whole sentence was " Heck, even the Jeep media reps and engineers at Easter Jeep Safari in Moab broke it down that way when I questioned them about it." meaning that it was when I (not the article) asked them.

I am the steering and driveline PLM for my company and a major customer of Dana/Eaton who invite me to the Moab Easter Jeep Safari for the past several years where I get to speak with and trail with many of the Jeep engineers. This was this years trips— Diesel held it's own...... I was at the Easter Jeep Safari event when they introduced the Diesel years ago and they even said it was a $6k option over the base Rubicon. I never said that was from the article.

And yes, even at the 150 truck dealers my company has across the US and Canada, when we quote an option upcharge, it is from a base truck, not one that already as another upgraded option.

 

[yokramer]

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