Brake pads make a difference?

[Old Jeeper]

Hey Don, do you know who sells these brake pads?

Let me get with my wife, she just ordered a set for my 2024 JLR, I will. ask here and let you know.

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[Willys41]

I don't know much about wilwood brakes put I do know how and why the Teraflex brakes work so well
Looks like the wilwood brakes use there own pads at a high cost. Looks like willwood do not use anti knock back springs put you can purchase there Residual Pressure Valve to stop the piston from being pushed back into the cylinder . This is a one way 2lb pressure valve that can fail
Teraflex uses Toyota tundra pads and are available any where any time any price
Teraflex uses anti knock back springs giving you that superior brake pedal
Anti knock back springs are used a lot in racing to maintain the caliper piston up against the brake pads eliminating that double pump or long brake pedal travel
I have done 1000s of bake jobs in the last 40 years as an auto technician and believe the Teraflex Delta bakes are superior simple design that far out weigh others at twice the cost
Like others have said. You will smile every time you put your foot on the brakes pedal

 

[JINO]

I don't know much about wilwood brakes put I do know how and why the Teraflex brakes work so well
Looks like the wilwood brakes use there own pads at a high cost. Looks like willwood do not use anti knock back springs put you can purchase there Residual Pressure Valve to stop the piston from being pushed back into the cylinder . This is a one way 2lb pressure valve that can fail
Teraflex uses Toyota tundra pads and are available any where any time any price
Teraflex uses anti knock back springs giving you that superior brake pedal
Anti knock back springs are used a lot in racing to maintain the caliper piston up against the brake pads eliminating that double pump or long brake pedal travel
I have done 1000s of bake jobs in the last 40 years as an auto technician and believe the Teraflex Delta bakes are superior simple design that far out weigh others at twice the cost
Like others have said. You will smile every time you put your foot on the brakes pedal

Would it be fine to only replace the front? And the rear at a later time?

 

[Willys41]

Yes
You can replace fronts only at this time
You may want to add Z36 pads to the rear brakes
It is impotent to also do an ABS bleed to make sure there is no air trapped in the ABS system
You will need a scanner capable of doing an ABS bleed and 12+8 gate way bypass cable

 

[JINO]

Yes
You can replace fronts only at this time
You may want to add Z36 pads to the rear brakes
It is impotent to also do an ABS bleed to make sure there is no air trapped in the ABS system
You will need a scanner capable of doing an ABS bleed and 12+8 gate way bypass cable

I'm going to avoid anything by powerstop.

 

[Willys41]

JINO
I think you should do the fronts first with the Teraflex
I think you will be surprised at how well they work and want to do the rears as soon as you can

 

[JINO]

JINO
I think you should do the fronts first with the Teraflex
I think you will be surprised at how well they work and want to do the rears as soon as you can

That's my plan. First front, then the rears.
I'll wait til when the hawk pads are near done. Haven't even put them on yet.

 

[JeepinPete]

Not to start a pissing contest, but highly doubtful. Why? Because a stock Rubicon cannot lock its wheels even in stock form--the issue is the lack of clamping power which has nothing to do with the pads.

Sorry, but from the data I could find, there is no difference in the clamping power of the stock caliper and the Toyota caliper. A '15 Tundra caliper has piston diameters of 50.9mm. The Wrangler caliper has piston diameters of 51mm. Two per side on each so the clamping force for a given input pressure is nearly identical. Opposing pistons do not increase force, they are just a different means of applying it to each side of the caliper.

Now if Teraflex increased the piston bore size then I will stand corrected, but I have seen no information indicating that is the case.

Most of the improved brake performance is through the pad compound that Teraflex spec'd and the increase in rotor diameter. The rotor diameter will net a roughly 8% increase in braking torque for the same inputs, so I would wager that most of the performance gains are from brake pad compound and a properly bled system.

Pete

 

[JINO]

Sorry, but from the data I could find, there is no difference in the clamping power of the stock caliper and the Toyota caliper. A '15 Tundra caliper has piston diameters of 50.9mm. The Wrangler caliper has piston diameters of 51mm. Two per side on each so the clamping force for a given input pressure is nearly identical. Opposing pistons do not increase force, they are just a different means of applying it to each side of the caliper.

Now if Teraflex increased the piston bore size then I will stand corrected, but I have seen no information indicating that is the case.

Most of the improved brake performance is through the pad compound that Teraflex spec'd and the increase in rotor diameter. The rotor diameter will net a roughly 8% increase in braking torque for the same inputs, so I would wager that most of the performance gains are from brake pad compound and a properly bled system.

Pete

So you're saying it's only a minimal upgrade other than the pads? If so, I'll save $2400 and get the pads teraflex is using..

 

[Old Jeeper]

Hey Don, do you know who sells these brake pads?

My wife and I have been struggling for 2 days to sort this out.

The RED STUFF pads for Jeep are Replacing the Orange Stuff Pads which were a Racing/Off Road pad. Red Stuff is Improved over the Orange.

BUT till the Orange stock is sold the dealers are not selling Red unless you hit on a dealer that has sold out of the Orange and only has Red,...

I finally found a dealer that has the Red Pads for Jeep, we think, we do, I ordered a set (Front only) for my 2024 JLR-X.

Keep tabs on me and I will poast a thread if the Item number is correct: DP 91888 is what we think...they are so new its no one seems to have a good handle on it.

 

[Willys41]

They are NOT Toyota calipers
They use tundra pads

 

[dpike]

interesting.. EBC lists different front pads depending on the rear rotor size (extra 4mm thick with the 342mm rear rotor) even tho both fronts have the 330mm rotor.

 

[azwjowner]

Sorry, but from the data I could find, there is no difference in the clamping power of the stock caliper and the Toyota caliper. A '15 Tundra caliper has piston diameters of 50.9mm. The Wrangler caliper has piston diameters of 51mm. Two per side on each so the clamping force for a given input pressure is nearly identical. Opposing pistons do not increase force, they are just a different means of applying it to each side of the caliper.

Now if Teraflex increased the piston bore size then I will stand corrected, but I have seen no information indicating that is the case.

Most of the improved brake performance is through the pad compound that Teraflex spec'd and the increase in rotor diameter. The rotor diameter will net a roughly 8% increase in braking torque for the same inputs, so I would wager that most of the performance gains are from brake pad compound and a properly bled system.

Pete

No, that's not correct. They're not Toyota calipers; they are custom and much larger: https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/forum/threads/upgraded-brake-suggestions.92854/post-2031111

 

[CarbonSteel]

Sorry, but from the data I could find, there is no difference in the clamping power of the stock caliper and the Toyota caliper. A '15 Tundra caliper has piston diameters of 50.9mm. The Wrangler caliper has piston diameters of 51mm. Two per side on each so the clamping force for a given input pressure is nearly identical. Opposing pistons do not increase force, they are just a different means of applying it to each side of the caliper.

Now if Teraflex increased the piston bore size then I will stand corrected, but I have seen no information indicating that is the case.

Most of the improved brake performance is through the pad compound that Teraflex spec'd and the increase in rotor diameter. The rotor diameter will net a roughly 8% increase in braking torque for the same inputs, so I would wager that most of the performance gains are from brake pad compound and a properly bled system.

Pete

Bovine Scatology.

Teraflex calipers have 4 pistons each. Stock has 2 in the front and 1 in the rear.

I have a post here that details the differences and they are substantial.

 

[CarbonSteel]

So you're saying it's only a minimal upgrade other than the pads? If so, I'll save $2400 and get the pads teraflex is using..

NO! It is NOT a minimal upgrade--it is substantial. The other poster clearly does not know what he is talking about.

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