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Maybe you shouldn't be bashing a great drivetrain that a lot of forum members own with factual misstatements and imaginary disadvantages. Your repeating me shows a lack of creativity.
Wait, when did I "bash a great drivetrain that a lot of forum members own with factual misstatements and imaginary disadvantages'?

I've bashed the 6 manual that I had in my first JLUR, but maybe you're being overly defensive?
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Wait, when did I "bash a great drivetrain that a lot of forum members own with factual misstatements and imaginary disadvantages'?

I've bashed the 6 manual that I had in my first JLUR, but maybe you're being overly defensive?
And it deserves to be bashed as it's had nothing but clutch recalls since day 1, limits engine choices to only 1, and has a 5th and 6th gear that are less than .1-1 different making it functionally a 5 speed at best. Some members like it, and that's great for them but it's still the most problematic powertrain available and the worst performing.
 

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Maybe you shouldn't be bashing a great drivetrain that a lot of forum members own with factual misstatements and imaginary disadvantages. Your repeating me shows a lack of creativity.
I own a v6 eTorque Wrangler myself and quite like it, and while my ultimate conclusion that it "works well, but is unnecessary" is purely my own opinion, the various "pros" and "cons" that I was asked to detail are factual, though they certainly may not be things you actually care about (and as I've already stated, I personally find them "minor" in both directions).

Nobody that makes a performance tune for the Pentastar v6 makes one for the v6 eTorque. Nobody that makes a supercharger for the v6 makes one for the eTorque. You physically cannot fit a mid-section muffler exhaust system or an auxiliary gas tank where the 48V eTorque battery is located. All batteries will eventually crap out over time and a 48V lithium battery replacement will be an expense that wouldn't exist if it wasn't a MHEV system. The eTorque "performance boost" is only active for 1/4 of a wheel turn from a dead stop and while smoothing out shift points.

Just because you might not happen to care about any of those "imaginary" advantages and disadvantages doesn't mean that they are untrue. If you truly believe that anything I've said is a "misstatement", then please prove me wrong - about anything.

If there's a tune, aux tank or supercharger for my 2-door v6 eTorque I'd honestly love to know about it.
 
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I own a v6 eTorque Wrangler myself and quite like it, and while my ultimate conclusion that it "works well, but is unnecessary" is purely my own opinion, the various "pros" and "cons" that I was asked to detail are factual, though they certainly may not be things you actually care about (and as I've already stated, I personally find them "minor" in both directions).

Nobody that makes a performance tune for the Pentastar v6 makes one for the v6 eTorque. Nobody that makes a supercharger for the v6 makes one for the eTorque. You physically cannot fit a mid-section muffler exhaust system or an auxiliary gas tank where the 48V eTorque battery is located. All batteries will eventually crap out over time and a 48V lithium battery replacement will be an expense that wouldn't exist if it wasn't a MHEV system. The eTorque "performance boost" is only active for 1/4 of a wheel turn from a dead stop and while smoothing out shift points.

Just because you might not happen to care about any of those "imaginary" advantages and disadvantages doesn't mean that they are untrue. If you truly believe that anything I've said is a "misstatement", then please prove me wrong - about anything.

If there's a tune, aux tank or supercharger for my 2-door v6 eTorque I'd honestly love to know about it.
Maybe you should buy something else since you aren't happy. Your criticism of how the eTorque works is not factual. You aren't worth the time to prove anything. I see long lists of imaginary advantages and disadvantages on the internet regularly. People do searches and get misled.
 
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My recent thread about e torque went six pages w/o a complaint and I’m very happy with it.
I never shut the system down or have any need to.
 

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My recent thread about e torque went six pages w/o a complaint and I’m very happy with it.
I never shut the system down or have any need to.
It is a noticeable improvement in drivability over the regular V6. It's rare to see criticism of it.
 

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Maybe you should buy something else since you aren't happy. Your criticism of how the eTorque works is not factual. You aren't worth the time to prove anything. I see long lists of imaginary advantages and disadvantages on the internet regularly. People do searches and get misled.
Ok, let me get this straight. You refuse to provide any details to refute what @AFD said, claim that what he said isn't factual, and a response isn't worthy of your time? All the while you claim that I keep bashing a drivetrain with factual misstatements and imaginary disadvantages? Are you fucking kidding me?
 

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Maybe you should buy something else since you aren't happy. Your criticism of how the eTorque works is not factual. You aren't worth the time to prove anything. I see long lists of imaginary advantages and disadvantages on the internet regularly. People do searches and get misled.
When did I once say I was unhappy with it? In fact, I've said the opposite, multiple times.

You refuse to disprove a single thing I've said, yet continuously insist on calling me a liar with a personal attack to boot. Nice.

Maybe you should educate yourself about the eTorque system and what it actually does? This post has a really good video with one of the CDJR engineers (states the performance boost is for half a wheel turn for the RAM, but I've seen quarter wheel turn stated for the Wrangler before).

https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/fo...e-what-it-is-how-it-works-what-it-does.74400/
 

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As usual it's the have me nots crying 😭 over something they don't have.
 

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My v6 is eTorque which considerably increases torque when starting out. If you are happy with your diesel, don't pay attention to what I say.
What did you say???
 

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@Ratbert do you remember from when you could query the system, what percentage of Wranglers were diesels???
I'm sure I posted that detail at some point. Pretty small if I remember correctly, but I'd need to research it.
 

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You can turn it off? I didn't realize that.
You can turn off the electronic start/stop functionality of it with the dash button and there are various scenarios when portions of the system won't work at all (cold temps, batteries still charging, incline), but otherwise, it just does its own thing when it's able.

On the way home I remembered some more "pros" for the eTorque. With regenerative braking, in theory, your pads and rotors should last much longer than having a system without that feature (just keep in mind that this might be a complete falsehood if you don't care about the expense of replacing brake components and/or ride the brakes excessively anyway ;))
 

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You can turn off the electronic start/stop functionality of it with the dash button and there are various scenarios when portions of the system won't work at all (cold temps, batteries still charging, incline), but otherwise, it just does its own thing when it's able.

On the way home I remembered some more "pros" for the eTorque. With regenerative braking, in theory, your pads and rotors should last much longer than having a system without that feature (just keep in mind that this might be a complete falsehood if you don't care about the expense of replacing brake components and/or ride the brakes excessively anyway ;))
I believe another pro is the eTorque saves the transmission clutches lifespan.

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