You have the Scary Snail bolted onto your 3.0 and it wards off the evil spirits
Ya know, it's the grandest of ironies - despite your assessment of me as a fanboy for whom Jeep can do no wrong (about as far off base as it gets, but that's par for the course I guess), I actually tend to advise a fair amount of folks to not buy a Jeep. I just do it without fabricating things about dependability or build quality, being that this most likely isn't going to be why a Jeep would be a bad choice for many. Most folks who buy a Jeep buy them for the fun image, but the reality is a Jeep is an unapologetic off roader, which comes with more tradeoffs than most people actually want. They work fine as a daily if you're OK with dailying an off roader that is an off roader first and foremost. Most people aren't, but they lie to themselves and pretend that they are. Love the assumption though that I, @yokramer, or @jeepingib sugarcoat the realities of driving a Jeep through fanboy zealousness.
Hell the only reason I have a Wrangler is cause of a DirtLifestyle video talking about all the hell he had in building his Tacoma vs his Gladiator. I had a deposit on a Tacoma and waiting for it to show before that. Did some more research and got my money back and went across the street to order my JLR. I tell a ton of people that maybe Taco/Bronco/4Runner is more to their benefit than the Wrangler.
But if the vehicle moves under its own power.... is it unreliable, or, not dependable? I think it's important that "infotainment" issues are tracked, but to what degree...HVAC issues I'd say is more than just a nuisance. I also assume there are a lot of people who contribute to that count for issues that can be solved with user education, or that end up at the dealer and the issue can't be replicated, mostly because the user is an idiot and there's nothing actually wrong with the car itself.
Exactly. Just a few groups it really fits - beach bums who want a convertible that can ride on the beach, people who like off roading and understand why a Jeep is a Jeep, folks who camp and need to be able to handle unimproved roads and such, and mayyyyybe a portion of the people who want a convertible but need an SUV - many of these though would hate living with a solid axle vehicle, so it's a toss up.
And if the windows work, you can at least get airflow. Might suck if you're under/over dressed for the weather, but you can get airflow.
I tell people all the time they need to trade their Wrangler for a Toyota, most of time it's not a joke. They would actually be happier in a different vehicle. A Jeep or more specifically a Wrangler is a niche vehicle for a niche audience and not everyone is part of that niche audience. Unfortunately too many don't seem to realize it until after they've made a few payments...Also unfortunately Jeep doesn't care who writes the check so long as it clears.
Hell I created a thread for just such an occasion.
It does go both ways though too - plenty of folks out there with Tacomas with widdle wadders who really should've gotten a Jeep (or a JT) instead of needing to carry 7 spare CVs with them in case they see a widdle wock.
Exactly what I was thinking of there
The data for 2024 doesn't really support that. I agree in part, based on how the Wrangler is configured. Solid axles, full frame, it rides and behaves like it's designed. That is all known to the buyer in advance and a lot of people over-estimate their willingness to live with a vehicle that really lends itself to off-road use.
Whole lotta people jump in a Wrangler cause its a cute car you can take the doors and top off not thinking anything about anything else.
I honestly think it's more comfort issues than reliability nonsense for why most folks would be happier in a Taco or 4R. They want IFS steering and ride/handling, while also pretending they have a rugged truck because of the SRA.The data for 2024 doesn't really support that. I agree in part, based on how the Wrangler is configured. Solid axles, full frame, it rides and behaves like it's designed. That is all known to the buyer in advance and a lot of people over-estimate their willingness to live with a vehicle that really lends itself to off-road use.
Dependability/reliability issues? Well, Toyota is supposedly only having a handful fewer problems per 100 vehicles for the 2024 model year, as a brand. 192 Toyota, 200 Jeep.
This site is chock full of people who would be much better served with a different vehicle, but it is the vehicle that looks like fun and freedom, so they buy it anyway.
