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Hi, I'm Dusty. And I am a condescending jerk. Just wanted to get that out of the way before I continue. This post is my opinion, not a statement of fact. And I know that a lot of people are going to disagree with me. I'm okay with that.

If you bought a Wrangler and you do not go off road, you bought the wrong vehicle. There are so many posts here, with owners complaining about things that are just inherent to how a Wrangler is constructed. "My Jeep rides worse than ____, my gas mileage is bad after lift and tires (duh), it's noisy inside, my steering is funny, etc, etc..."

Not all of these posts are uncalled for, but some of the people have a rather unreasonable expectation. And some wish for Jeep to change the Wrangler to be more in line to what they are expecting. That's where I don't agree with folks. Several times people have expressed the wish for the Wrangler to have IFS, fixed windshields, even a fixed top. If that's what you want, those vehicles already exist. There are other options from most manufacturers that fit those categories. But there is only one vehicle like the Wrangler. The "quirks and features" to quote Doug Demuro from YouTube are what makes the Wrangler unique and desirable. It's the only SUV still available with a solid axle. It's the only one that has a folding windshield. One of only 2 that has a removable top. The body on frame construction makes it heavy, but rugged. The recirculating ball steering has a heavy feel and combined with the sfa can have rough handling and steering problems compared to IFS. But it's much stronger and easier to modify for improved performance off road. The problems that most people complain about, are part and parcel with the attributes that make the Wrangler such a desirable vehicle to people who want to use their Jeep off road on the trails. But it makes it a bad choice for a daily commute vehicle if you don't intend to ever go wheeling. Especially if you have modified it for larger tires to look cool, but did not consider how that would impact the daily drive.

Rant over. Again, this is just words from a judgmental prick. Feel free to completely ignore me. But maybe, just maybe after reading this you will think about what I wrote and if there is a kernel of truth to it.
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Hi, I'm Dusty. And I am a condescending jerk. Just wanted to get that out of the way before I continue. This post is my opinion, not a statement of fact. And I know that a lot of people are going to disagree with me. I'm okay with that.

If you bought a Wrangler and you do not go off road, you bought the wrong vehicle. There are so many posts here, with owners complaining about things that are just inherent to how a Wrangler is constructed. "My Jeep rides worse than ____, my gas mileage is bad after lift and tires (duh), it's noisy inside, my steering is funny, etc, etc..."

Not all of these posts are uncalled for, but some of the people have a rather unreasonable expectation. And some wish for Jeep to change the Wrangler to be more in line to what they are expecting. That's where I don't agree with folks. Several times people have expressed the wish for the Wrangler to have IFS, fixed windshields, even a fixed top. If that's what you want, those vehicles already exist. There are other options from most manufacturers that fit those categories. But there is only one vehicle like the Wrangler. The "quirks and features" to quote Doug Demuro from YouTube are what makes the Wrangler unique and desirable. It's the only SUV still available with a solid axle. It's the only one that has a folding windshield. One of only 2 that has a removable top. The body on frame construction makes it heavy, but rugged. The recirculating ball steering has a heavy feel and combined with the sfa can have rough handling and steering problems compared to IFS. But it's much stronger and easier to modify for improved performance off road. The problems that most people complain about, are part and parcel with the attributes that make the Wrangler such a desirable vehicle to people who want to use their Jeep off road on the trails. But it makes it a bad choice for a daily commute vehicle if you don't intend to ever go wheeling. Especially if you have modified it for larger tires to look cool, but did not consider how that would impact the daily drive.

Rant over. Again, this is just words from a judgmental prick. Feel free to completely ignore me. But maybe, just maybe after reading this you will think about what I wrote and if there is a kernel of truth to it.
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I love this. When I got my first Jeep, I was one of the people who bitched about all of those things. Then I kind of had to decide, am I a Jeep person or not. Are the trade offs worth it, when you factor in the amount of fun you can have with a Jeep. I am now on my 3rd Jeep and cannot imagine driving anything else. More smiles per mile than any other vehicle I have ever owned.
 

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I agree...and I don't agree.

I find it hilarious that people buy a Jeep, then complain incessantly that the Jeep they bought is...well...a Jeep. That said, I do not off-road, but I absolutely did not buy the wrong vehicle (nor were any of my previous Wranglers the wrong vehicle for me). I see nothing wrong with off-roading, in fact it looks like a lot of fun - but truth be told I've got enough expensive time-consuming hobbies as it is. I want a vehicle that I can drive sans doors and roof, and this fits the bill perfectly for me.
 

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I know we need them, but 12 out 13 Rubicon owners in my vicinity are nothing more than "I got" and "I'm ahead of the Jonses". It's a lot of fun to talk trails with them and point out my pinstriping and rock scars. The horror! "How could you be so unconcerned with a $50K vehicle", "you should get it buffed out or repainted so it looks better", "It's a Rubicon, dude, I don't need to do anything to it except fill it with ducks and and go topless, 'cause lockers", "Why do you have Rubicon switches when you don't have a Rubicon?". Yeah, thanks for assisting Stellantis on driving the price up...
I makes me so jaded that I don't want to talk to other random Jeep owners. I still wave to all JL's, JLU's and JT's, though. No need to listen to inane drivel with just the wave.

I think I am more like Dusty than I thought.😄

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My wife never takes her Sahara off the pavement but it's her money so she bought it. Let people buy it if they can afford it. She already paid it off so I don't care what she does with it.
 

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Totally agree with this post. I don't really like how my wrangler drives on the road (even though it's much better than those in the past). But, what other vehicle can come stock with stout solid axles, lockers, 4:1 t-case, sway bar disconnect? It's great for offroad use, but not much else.
 

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A recent Lite Brite video is a perfect example of paying more that $100K for your Jeep+mods with no intention to off-road it. To each their own. I do agree though that people shouldn't get one expecting it to ride like a Cadillac and then complain though.

 

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Is everyone so bored with their lives that what someone else is doing with their vehicle bothers you that much?
It's not about boredom. When Rubi guy gets all peacock because of "I got", but barely understands the vehicle that they own, it makes matters difficult. It seems like I am speaking Klingon when Rubi guys eyes glaze over. Hard to enjoy the Jeep brotherhood when the selfish and self-centered attitude of society rears it's ugly head...

Mike
 
 



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