2024 JD Powers Reliability Study: Jeep Rated Average

[TheRaven]

Build quality is its own beast. But in the end it's mostly independent of long term reliability. Sure, it can impact reliability in that you can have a higher initial failure rate. But once you get past initial failure rate, build quality effects drop to nil.

This was pretty much my initial point. Like I said - a well-built but poorly cared for vehicle is not going to hold up over the long term. Now you can certainly cite the '96 Accords and '02 Corollas that refused to die even if you completely ignored any kind of care, but those were pretty much all bare-bones cars, and in no way comparable to modern automobiles. But yeah - this is why the IQS is much more useful for discussions like this than the VDS.

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[Remorseless]

This was pretty much my initial point. Like I said - a well-built but poorly cared for vehicle is not going to hold up over the long term. Now you can certainly cite the '96 Accords and '02 Corollas that refused to die even if you completely ignored any kind of care, but those were pretty much all bare-bones cars, and in no way comparable to modern automobiles. But yeah - this is why the IQS is much more useful for discussions like this than the VDS.

Well, in the IQS, Jeep is pretty well near the average too:

 

[MayThe4x4BWU]

Well, in the IQS, Jeep is pretty well near the average too:

Chrysler doesn't even make that list...wow

 

[Remorseless]

Chrysler doesn't even make that list...wow

With only the minivan to their name now that the 300's sunsetting, I bet JD Power forgot they make cars

 

[MayThe4x4BWU]

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With only the minivan to their name now that the 300's sunsetting, I bet JD Power forgot they make cars

They should forget that Dodge exists while they're at it. Since they also will have, what, one model soon?

 

[grimmjeeper]

This was pretty much my initial point. Like I said - a well-built but poorly cared for vehicle is not going to hold up over the long term. Now you can certainly cite the '96 Accords and '02 Corollas that refused to die even if you completely ignored any kind of care, but those were pretty much all bare-bones cars, and in no way comparable to modern automobiles. But yeah - this is why the IQS is much more useful for discussions like this than the VDS.

You're missing the point I'm making.

Initial build quality has nothing to do with the long term reliability of a vehicle. At all.

A poorly designed car won't last. Doesn't matter how well built it is. Doesn't matter how well you maintain it. It's going to fail sooner because it was poorly designed.

A well designed car will last. Even if it comes off the line with build quality issues. Even if you're lax on maintenance. It will last because it was designed to last.

Initial build quality doesn’t mean jack squat when it comes to long term reliability.

I don't know why you think I'm agreeing with you. I'm not. You say you agree but then say the exact opposite of what I'm trying to say. How can I better communicate my point to you?

 

[Remorseless]

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They should forget that Dodge exists while they're at it. Since they also will have, what, one model soon?

They have Durango and Hornet still. I think new Charger will be out before they sunset Durango.

 

[alphawolff]

They have Durango and Hornet still. I think new Charger will be out before they sunset Durango.

Well, the hornet is a POS. The new charger is going to be a shop cat. The Durango is a pretty cool guy though. It's still on the old platform, but I believe it's being updated next year. Buy one while you can.

 

[MayThe4x4BWU]

They have Durango and Hornet still. I think new Charger will be out before they sunset Durango.

Oh yeah, the Euro Hornet. I forgot about that thing. Between keeping Daimler-Chrysler's Durango design and then bringing their Alfa clone here...Stellantis seems to make decisions like a bobble head doll

 

[Remorseless]

Oh yeah, the Euro Hornet. I forgot about that thing. Between keeping Daimler-Chrysler's Durango design and then bringing their Alfa clone here...Stellantis seems to make decisions like a bobble head doll

I wager they'll steal a lot more Euro designs for Dodge going forward. They have no platforms that come from anything in the US worth sticking a Dodge nameplate on. Though, the Durango and GC were on a Merc ML platform, and did well. Guess we'll just see if they pick good platforms going forward.

 

[TheRaven]

Initial build quality has nothing to do with the long term reliability of a vehicle. At all.

I disagree. I say it does have an effect. It's just not a primary driver.

I said I agree with you where I agree with you. I generally quote the parts I agree (or in this case, disagree) with. For instance, you said "dependability can be designed in". I agree with that to an extent. It also seems to say that you DO believe Initial Quality has something to do with dependability, since design is a big part of initial quality.

Like I said in my first post in this thread - Initial Quality is how well a vehicle is built (and by built I mean designed and assembled), and long term reliability is how well a vehicle is cared for. Initial quality can have a bearing on that but the farther out you go timewise the less it matters. As time passes, how a vehicle is cared for takes over and initial quality no longer matters.

Not sure how else I can explain it.

 

[MayThe4x4BWU]

I wager they'll steal a lot more Euro designs for Dodge going forward. They have no platforms that come from anything in the US worth sticking a Dodge nameplate on. Though, the Durango and GC were on a Merc ML platform, and did well. Guess we'll just see if they pick good platforms going forward.

Some of the Euro designs are nice. I had a 2019 GC SRT with that old platform. Was a solid vehicle. But who knows what Stella is going to do with Dodge after seeing what they're doing with Jeep so far

I'll be surprised if they don't do a "final"/"last call" thing with the Durango Hellcats and SRT's, etc. given they can easily get into the same price range as the 392 Wranglers, if not exceed them

 

[Remorseless]

Some of the Euro designs are nice. I had a 2019 GC SRT with that old platform. Was a solid vehicle. But who knows what Stella is going to do with Dodge after seeing what they're doing with Jeep so far

I'll be surprised if they don't do a "final"/"last call" thing with the Durango Hellcats and SRT's, etc. given they can easily get into the same price range as the 392 Wranglers, if not exceed them

They're already doing one of the last call things for Durango. Super silly.

Current GC is on a re-engineered Giorgio platform though. Wonder how that's doing?

 

[MayThe4x4BWU]

They're already doing one of the last call things for Durango. Super silly.

Current GC is on a re-engineered Giorgio platform though. Wonder how that's doing?

Geezuz. I was half kidding about that too lol

I rarely see the new GC or Wagoneer for that matter since they look like clones of each other. It looks just so bland. Like it's made to just blend into the background on the road

 

[grimmjeeper]

... Initial Quality has something to do with dependability, since design is a big part of initial quality.

There's the core of it right there.

They are two completely independent things.

Now, there tends to be some correlation between them. But that's at a higher level. A company that skimps on design tends to skimp on manufacturing too. And a company that wants to build a quality product tends to invest in both. But that doesn't have to be true. A company may only focus on one side or the other. Correlation is not causation.

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