2024 4xe is disappointing... gets no range increase

[PatriotX]

Sounds like you should have bought a Hellcat instead of a Jeep. You might be happier.

The 4xe actually replaced my Hellcat-powered Trackhawk.

I’m very pleased with the performance. I chose it over the 392.

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[Nitehawk92]

The battery isn't smaller, it's twice the capacity of the Niro battery. It can't get any bigger without making huge sacrifices to passenger comfort and cargo space and payload capacity.

There's nothing wrong with wanting what you want. I'd love to go on a date with Megan Fox. But it's totally unrealistic to get that with today's available battery technology, and Megan Fox won't return my phone calls. So it is what it is. You can't have a 6,000 pound solid axle rock crawler that gets comparable kWh/mile economy to a small Korean commuter car.

Maybe someday we'll have battery tech with exponentially more energy density than the batteries we've got now, but we're likely years or decades away from that. And even when that day does come, people will still cry about how the 2035 Wrangler 4xe only gets 5,000 miles on a charge, while the 2035 Kia Niro gets 12,000 miles on a charge.

Reese Witherspoon is getting divorced. I told my wife if she shows up at our door, I'm gone...

 

[ag4ever]

Thanks for the explanation. Unfortunately Jeep will never use a 33kWh battery because of adding even more weight to the Wrangler and taking up ground clearance. Which is probably why they came out with the new Jeep Recon. It's designed to fit bigger batteries.

Assuming the conditions are perfect to get that 25 miles. Straight smooth paved road and perfect weather outside. Don't go up hills, don't use your heat when it's cold or A/C if it's hot outside, radio, heated seats and whatever els draws from the power. You'll end up getting much less. And let's not forget about battery age. After a couple years it starts degrading. Then the miles start dropping off dramatically.

Believe me I would love this to be the perfect system. Get at least 50 miles full electric mode, get 49mpg hybrid mode like all the other hybrids do, and the battery last forever. But unfortunately it's not the case. And then Stellantis wants you to pay out the ass for it.

Conditions don’t need to be “perfect” I routinely drive 22 miles one way to work and home where I have 3 miles of range left. This is running full a/c or heat. Driving 70 mph on the highway, driving city stop and go. Up and down large fly over interchanges. In the rain, in the dry. Just about any conditions you can imagine.

Just curious, when was the last time you drove 1,000 miles on a tank of fuel in your Bronco? And still had over a 1/4 tank left, and got over 40 mpg(e) in the process?

Just for price reference, I was cross shopping the 4xe against the 392. My 4xe was well under $60k out the door. Not so for a 392. So, those willing to pay for a 392 think the 4xe is a bargain considering it is ‘fast’ and can be efficient. Should the 392 cost $95k? NO! Should the 4xe cost $70k? NO!

But, I absolutely believe the Wrangler (of any model) is better than the Bronco. I love the fact Ford is building broncos, it forces Jeep to push forward with improvements.

 

[JeepViking13]

Conditions don’t need to be “perfect” I routinely drive 22 miles one way to work and home where I have 3 miles of range left. This is running full a/c or heat. Driving 70 mph on the highway, driving city stop and go. Up and down large fly over interchanges. In the rain, in the dry. Just about any conditions you can imagine.

Just curious, when was the last time you drove 1,000 miles on a tank of fuel in your Bronco? And still had over a 1/4 tank left, and got over 40 mpg(e) in the process?

Just for price reference, I was cross shopping the 4xe against the 392. My 4xe was well under $60k out the door. Not so for a 392. So, those willing to pay for a 392 think the 4xe is a bargain considering it is ‘fast’ and can be efficient. Should the 392 cost $95k? NO! Should the 4xe cost $70k? NO!

But, I absolutely believe the Wrangler (of any model) is better than the Bronco. I love the fact Ford is building broncos, it forces Jeep to push forward with improvements.

It's funny people keep bringing up my Bronco. My Jeep Wrangler Willys XR doesn't get 1k miles either. Lol.

And I promise you living where I live 2,000 feet in elevation and hills and mountains all around me everywhere I go and my house being at least 20 miles from everywhere I need to go I wouldn't get good mileage in a 4xe either. Especially not in Winter from real world test videos I watched.

 

[MaskedRacerX]

I'm not too sure that the Recon range would be too impressive for an EV, Jeep hasn't even hinted on it's range, mind you I don't need more than 300 miles range, I can get away with even 200 miles at the low end.

Initially I was kinda interested in the Recon, but I don't think it's worth me giving up my Wrangler, the Recon would have to come in at around $50K USD for me to give up my 4xe.

The Recon with the Sky One-Touch made me interested in the Recon, at this point any manufacturer that puts out a slick looking decent priced EV convertible will interest me.

I'm most probably going to jump on a Recon when the reservations open, unless there's some incredibly disappointing specs.

STLA has a new EV platform, breaks down like this:

So assuming the Recon is on the medium platform, you can calculate the range based on efficiency.

For example, if the max kWh is 104, and a Recon get 400 Wh/mile, that's 260 miles. For comparison, vehicles like the Rivian R1T get 420-440 Wh/mile and our M3P gets 310 Wh/mile, but there are people driving at more efficient speeds, more efficient wheel'tire setup seeing 260-270.

Stellantis also has this infographic:

Showing the medium at 440 miles, which would require ~236 Wh/mile which is exceptional efficiency - or they've increased the capacity of the medium a touch (and are just using a potential range for an ultra-efficient vehicle design which is not a boxy Recon :D ).

I predict a starting price of right around $60K, with some model variants and options that will take it to $70K.

FWIW, we also have an R1S (Rivan) on reservation, but still not 100% sure at the new, higher price - plus some concerns about the service network (and general company health).

 

[Bleda2002]

It's funny people keep bringing up my Bronco. My Jeep Wrangler Willys XR doesn't get 1k miles either. Lol.

And I promise you living where I live 2,000 feet in elevation and hills and mountains all around me everywhere I go and my house being at least 20 miles from everywhere I need to go I wouldn't get good mileage in a 4xe either. Especially not in Winter from real world test videos I watched.

Take whatever fuel you use for the day, subtract 1 gallon assuming you don't charge in between. That's your fuel mileage in the 4xe. If you use 4 gallons you'll gain 25% if you use 2 gallons you'll save 50%, etc etc. Hills up and down don't really matter because you Regen on the down slope quite a bit and fairly efficiently.

 

[JeepViking13]

Take whatever fuel you use for the day, subtract 1 gallon assuming you don't charge in between. That's your fuel mileage in the 4xe. If you use 4 gallons you'll gain 25% if you use 2 gallons you'll save 50%, etc etc. Hills up and down don't really matter because you Regen on the down slope quite a bit and fairly efficiently.

In reality I wouldn't really know what I'd get with the 4xe unless I bought and owned it. Unfortunately that would be a pretty expensive test.

I've watched a bunch of review videos from reputable reviewers. I think TFL only got like 4 miles on full electric going up and down hills off road. Was it the Truck King that got 11 miles in cold weather testing on electric only? Or maybe that was someone else. I don't remember I watched a bunch.

If I knew I could get like 26 miles full electric at least like some people get I might be able to benefit from it. Being that I live 20 miles from everything I just don't know.

My other downside would be I really like the Xtreme Recon package on my Willys XR. I love the way 4 door Jeeps look with at least 35s on them. I really don't want to go back down to smaller tires. And I'm sure bigger tires would eat up the range as well. Plus would be an extra cost to do a lift and stuff.

I'll probably end up just sticking my Willys XR but the 4xe idea intrigued me.

 

[BXFXJeep]

Take whatever fuel you use for the day, subtract 1 gallon assuming you don't charge in between. That's your fuel mileage in the 4xe. If you use 4 gallons you'll gain 25% if you use 2 gallons you'll save 50%, etc etc. Hills up and down don't really matter because you Regen on the down slope quite a bit and fairly efficiently.

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In reality I wouldn't really know what I'd get with the 4xe unless I bought and owned it. Unfortunately that would be a pretty expensive test.

I've watched a bunch of review videos from reputable reviewers. I think TFL only got like 4 miles on full electric going up and down hills off road. Was it the Truck King that got 11 miles in cold weather testing on electric only? Or maybe that was someone else. I don't remember I watched a bunch.

If I knew I could get like 26 miles full electric at least like some people get I might be able to benefit from it. Being that I live 20 miles from everything I just don't know.

My other downside would be I really like the Xtreme Recon package on my Willys XR. I love the way 4 door Jeeps look with at least 35s on them. I really don't want to go back down to smaller tires. And I'm sure bigger tires would eat up the range as well. Plus would be an extra cost to do a lift and stuff.

I'll probably end up just sticking my Willys XR but the 4xe idea intrigued me.

Every mile is not the same, when I used to wheel my YJ/TJ I would get 4 or 5 mpg, I'm guessing it's the same with the JK/JL, so it comes down to how much gas would they have used traversing that same 4 miles.

Same with cold weather, all temperature is not the same, and when it gets to extreme cold the ICE will run and sip the battery.

Toronto we didn't have many extreme cold days, so there was about a 10-15% range hit, but that is really only 3 months.

Buying a 4xe just for the power that is one thing, buying it to save on gas(financial benefit) that is a completely different animal.

I think you need to run a high percentage of electric miles vs gas miles to make it worth it from a financial standpoint. And it comes down to price of gas vs price of electricity.

From what I see ain't exactly cheap in many US states, but you guys are lucky to get cheaper gas in many states.

In Toronto it sorta makes sense because ain't too expensive, but gas is expensive AF, and the government laid out their plan to keep jacking up the gas prices to save the planet.

Toronto off-peak 7pm -7am it's 7.4 cents kWh
During the day it's 10 cents.

So people can charge fully for 7.4c a kWh and top up at 10c for the most part.

Gas is #&$@!*∆ $6 a gallon, yea $6 was higher for a bit.

So 21 miles cost $1 and $6 .

It's very easy to figure out if there is an economical benefit.

But I think your government wants to bribe and bamboozle you into a PHEV claiming it may be economical when it probably ain't.

That said I really like how the 4xe drives a hell of a lot more than my very similar 2018 JL.

 

[JeepViking13]

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Every mile is not the same, when I used to wheel my YJ/TJ I would get 4 or 5 mpg, I'm guessing it's the same with the JK/JL, so it comes down to how much gas would they have used traversing that same 4 miles.

Same with cold weather, all temperature is not the same, and when it gets to extreme cold the ICE will run and sip the battery.

Toronto we didn't have many extreme cold days, so there was about a 10-15% range hit, but that is really only 3 months.

Buying a 4xe just for the power that is one thing, buying it to save on gas(financial benefit) that is a completely different animal.

I think you need to run a high percentage of electric miles vs gas miles to make it worth it from a financial standpoint. And it comes down to price of gas vs price of electricity.

From what I see ain't exactly cheap in many US states, but you guys are lucky to get cheaper gas in many states.

In Toronto it sorta makes sense because ain't too expensive, but gas is expensive AF, and the government laid out their plan to keep jacking up the gas prices to save the planet.

Toronto off-peak 7pm -7am it's 7.4 cents kWh
During the day it's 10 cents.

So people can charge fully for 7.4c a kWh and top up at 10c for the most part.

Gas is #&$@!*∆ $6 a gallon, yea $6 was higher for a bit.

So 21 miles cost $1 and $6 .

It's very easy to figure out if there is an economical benefit.

But I think your government wants to bribe and bamboozle you into a PHEV claiming it may be economical when it probably ain't.

That said I really like how the 4xe drives a hell of a lot more than my very similar 2018 JL.

Yeah I wouldn't buy the 4xe just for power purposes. I'm plenty happy with the power I have in both my Jeep and my Bronco. I'm not drag racing. With off roading it's more about proper gearing, ground clearance and traction. It would be for saving money.(fuel)

My electric bill has just recently skyrocket. So I definitely would have to check when I get a chance to see exactly what they raised the prices too. I know it's alot. I just need to see what the price per kWh is now.

Just for the record when I post on a board about a particular vehicle its because I'm intrigued by it or interested in it. So I think out loud and talk about the pros and cons. I play devils advocate and talk about the cons more because I try iron them out to see if the particular vehicle makes sense for me. So sometimes it can come across like I don't like it or bashing it. And even if I do come to the conclusion that the vehicle isn't for me I would hope Jeep or whoever would read some of the negatives we talk about and fix them or improve the vehicle in the future.

 

[BXFXJeep]

Yeah I wouldn't buy the 4xe just for power purposes.

One of the problems with buying a 4xe just for power, is that you are getting a hybrid system that it seems only the dealer can fix(or f...up) and it appears to require updates.

It's not their green buddies getting kick backs, they are directly involved in the scheme.

the green gurus do not alter their lifestyle, they still guzzle fossil, and call it even by claiming to buy carbon credits from their own scheme, commoners generally cannot afford to do that, and if they do they pay the same people, win win for the people pushing the scheme.

 

[m3reno]

Electric isn't really the answer. In America, we travel way too far for electric cars to be feasible. We also like to travel abroad to different areas of the country and even with the electric stations, who is going to wait there for hours on end for a recharge. I went to the mall a few days ago and watched as all 30 electric stations were occupied with people recharging their batteries, with the families in the vehicles!! That's crazy! Seems like a better fit for someone who is retired, drives to the dinner, drug store than heads home for the day.

 

[Mocopo]

Electric isn't really the answer. In America, we travel way too far for electric cars to be feasible. We also like to travel abroad to different areas of the country and even with the electric stations, who is going to wait there for hours on end for a recharge. I went to the mall a few days ago and watched as all 30 electric stations were occupied with people recharging their batteries, with the families in the vehicles!! That's crazy! Seems like a better fit for someone who is retired, drives to the dinner, drug store than heads home for the day.

I tend to agree with this. I like the idea of electric, because off roading with no engine noise would be very cool, especially as a hunter. The problem is the roads I go on would take the already low electric range and kill it even further, as much as 85% according to most reviews. And I put lots of dirt miles on at a time. As someone who uses their jeep for more of the overland style of driving, electric just isn't feasible.

Also, when I'm low on gas, I hit up a gas station and can get in and out with a full tank in less then 5 minutes usually. I can't imagine sitting and waiting for 15 minutes or more just to get an 85% charge before moving on and then having to do that again in another 150 miles or so. Granted some EVs are better than that, but I really doubt the fully EV wrangler will be when it finally arrives. Plus with gas I can bring an extra 80 miles of range in a gas can...

The batteries and their charging need to be more efficient before I'll be able to get on board.

 

[JeepViking13]

I tend to agree with this. I like the idea of electric, because off roading with no engine noise would be very cool, especially as a hunter. The problem is the roads I go on would take the already low electric range and kill it even further, as much as 85% according to most reviews. And I put lots of dirt miles on at a time. As someone who uses their jeep for more of the overland style of driving, electric just isn't feasible.

Also, when I'm low on gas, I hit up a gas station and can get in and out with a full tank in less then 5 minutes usually. I can't imagine sitting and waiting for 15 minutes or more just to get an 85% charge before moving on and then having to do that again in another 150 miles or so. Granted some EVs are better than that, but I really doubt the fully EV wrangler will be when it finally arrives. Plus with gas I can bring an extra 80 miles of range in a gas can...

The batteries and their charging need to be more efficient before I'll be able to get on board.

I would think the 4xe would still be good to get to your hunting spot. I would drive it on gas mode until you get close and then switch it to full electric to take it the rest of the way right to your spot. Pretty good idea. ?

 

[Zandcwhite]

gallon savings is not enough to



Every mile is not the same, when I used to wheel my YJ/TJ I would get 4 or 5 mpg, I'm guessing it's the same with the JK/JL, so it comes down to how much gas would they have used traversing that same 4 miles.

Same with cold weather, all temperature is not the same, and when it gets to extreme cold the ICE will run and sip the battery.

Toronto we didn't have many extreme cold days, so there was about a 10-15% range hit, but that is really only 3 months.

Buying a 4xe just for the power that is one thing, buying it to save on gas(financial benefit) that is a completely different animal.

I think you need to run a high percentage of electric miles vs gas miles to make it worth it from a financial standpoint. And it comes down to price of gas vs price of electricity.

From what I see ain't exactly cheap in many US states, but you guys are lucky to get cheaper gas in many states.

In Toronto it sorta makes sense because ain't too expensive, but gas is expensive AF, and the government laid out their plan to keep jacking up the gas prices to save the planet.

Toronto off-peak 7pm -7am it's 7.4 cents kWh
During the day it's 10 cents.

So people can charge fully for 7.4c a kWh and top up at 10c for the most part.

Gas is #&$@!*∆ $6 a gallon, yea $6 was higher for a bit.

So 21 miles cost $1 and $6 .

It's very easy to figure out if there is an economical benefit.

But I think your government wants to bribe and bamboozle you into a PHEV claiming it may be economical when it probably ain't.

That said I really like how the 4xe drives a hell of a lot more than my very similar 2018 JL.

If you buy before tomorrow in the US, the $7500 tax credit makes the 4xe the same price as ICE only version equipped the same. At that point I'd argue the 1 gallon saving a day would still be "worth it" as it's effectively free. The added torque and the ability to run in fully electric mode would be a hell of a bonus. If we could justify owning 2 Jeeps we would have bought the 4xe as the wife's daily and she would literally never use gas. Being that we do a lot of long road trips and solo wheeling in remote locations we were leary of the added complexity. Daily driving the XR the wife only burns about 2 gallons a day so the savings wouldn't be huge. The extra torque would have been nice though.

 

[BXFXJeep]

If you buy before tomorrow in the US, the $7500 tax credit makes the 4xe the same price as ICE only version equipped the same. At that point I'd argue the 1 gallon saving a day would still be "worth it" as it's effectively free. The added torque and the ability to run in fully electric mode would be a hell of a bonus. If we could justify owning 2 Jeeps we would have bought the 4xe as the wife's daily and she would literally never use gas. Being that we do a lot of long road trips and solo wheeling in remote locations we were leary of the added complexity. Daily driving the XR the wife only burns about 2 gallons a day so the savings wouldn't be huge. The extra torque would have been nice though.

For some people the extra juice isn't worth the dealer support squeeze.

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