Reports/rumors: Serious accident at 2019 Easter Jeep Safari

[Jeeper Fever]

Based on the post by @anotheraznguy the bystander has a partial leg amputation.

The reporting is lousy, an amputation is a medical procedure. What they are most likely refering to is a compound fracture. Bone broken, exposed wound.

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[TJ2018]

The reporting is lousy, an amputation is a medical procedure. What they are most likely refering to is a compound fracture. Bone broken, exposed wound.

Would "partially severed limb" be better? Does it really matter? Serious is an understatement regardless. Your critique of the report doesn't really mitigate the seriousness of the injury nor offer any clarity to the situation. This is traumatic for those who were involved and the only concern should be for their recovery.

 

[ECHO]

This is traumatic for those who were involved and the only concern should be for their recovery.

Amen Brother

 

[robaw]

Does insurance even cover rock crawling on cliffs?

I don't think so. Obviously not first priority, but if I was Jeremy I'd find a good lawyer. Hope everyone is OK.

 

[Jeeper Fever]

Would "partially severed limb" be better? Does it really matter? Serious is an understatement regardless. Your critique of the report doesn't really mitigate the seriousness of the injury nor offer any clarity to the situation. This is traumatic for those who were involved and the only concern should be for their recovery.

Why are you lecturing me?

My comment concerns the vapid and fact free nature of modern journalism, which makes knowing anything about what really happend very difficult to discern.

Further, nothing we type here is going to make anyone involved better in any way. They may feel better when they learn of our concern, but that is the extent of it.

All we can do is hope for the best, pray, and virtue signal, the third of which is not a worthy nor decent way to behave.

 

[Megsxr750]

Hope all are well. American Jeeper gave me a little advice on winches a while back when I had some questions. He was really helpful and seems like a cool dude. Lets hope everything works out for all.

 

[kkuntz01]

Does insurance even cover rock crawling on cliffs?

In that situation it does not. It’s like bringing Mustang to the track and crashing into a wall.

 

[DickZip]

As horrible the thought is, maybe they had to amputate her leg to free her from the wreck? If you look close at one of the photos you can see a man without a shirt, looks like he has a significant amount of blood on his body. If I was a bystander the first thing that I’d do is take off my shirt to control the patients bleeding.
At this point, it seems to me everyone needs to stop, we’re talking about people, lives, someone’s family. Our best to all involved.

 

[WranglerMan]

My son just sent me the info on this......looks BAD...


Prayers outbound

 

[kkuntz01]

This sucks, can someone from the insurance industry let me know if this is going to be covered or not? The Jeep is probably totaled, and gone of any interior mod upgrade (the exterior one probably can be reused), also the medical bill and civil case...

As far as the Jeep, he may be on the hook out of his own pocket unfortunately since the incident occurred off road.

As far as the injuries to others, I’d say that’d be a personal liability thing as the auto policy may say nope, didn’t happen on a roadway. Don’t know for sure, but the voices in my head say it sounds good.

 

[rustyshakelford]

Like all others I wish speedy recoveries to the bystander, driver, and JL, in that order. And I only prioritize the bystander over the driver because I understand the bystander to be more severely injured.

Since I've never been to Moab, UT I have a question:

What might be concluded about the severity of the bystander's injuries given that she was air lifted out?

Here's my point. In my urban locale, if you're getting air lifted, you've got some really life threatening stuff going on that might require a level 3 trauma center (i.e. where they bring the "bad" stuff.)

But in Moab, given that it's more rural, might more than just life or death emergencies be transported by chopper given potential distances to hospitals equipped to handle "level 2" trauma?

Thanks.

Level 1 trama centers are the best of the best. Have all specialties available 24/7 and have ties as a teaching hospital. Think downtown very prestigious hospitals in bigger cities. Level 2 aren’t associated with a school and has requirements for on duty docs and on call staff availability, level 3 is still a good hospital but not typically great for trama.

Airflight/life flight/med flight etc (rotary) in a rural setting is generally used for both transport time reduction on semi serious or could be soon urgent patients or also a genuine urgent patient. Main thing is the great reduction in transport time. Also used for transfers from lower level hospitals to a level 1. Fixed wing is used for longer distant stable patient transfers. Think deadliest catch crew injury that needs to go to Anchorage. Stabilized in Dutch harbor, flown out when stabilized.

We are remote at Moab. Further more, the distance to the trail head can be a slow process while transporting a patient. For someone who has a tourniquet for example, needs to be on the operating table sooner than later. I can’t remember exactly but I want to say they aren’t to be used for longer than 8 hrs before additional tissue damage is a serious concern.

To me being airlifted out is a last resort due to the extraordinary cost. 50-75k isn’t uncommon. If you live in an area that offers life flight insurance or whatever it’s called in your local, it’s a good thing to consider. When you need to be flown it’s one less thing to worry about for you or your family.

Hope this answered your questions. It doesn’t have to be life threatening to be flown. I’ve seen people flown that were stable and honestly fine but the medic unit didn’t want to make the 60 min run to the hospital. I lost my mind as a patient advocate but had no say where I was at. Discipline should’ve been administered as that was not being a patient advocate.

Brett

 

[Cov]

Wow so he's possibly hundreds of thousands out of pocket with the vehicle and medical bills/lawsuit

 

[plex]

As far as the Jeep, he may be on the hook out of his own pocket unfortunately since the incident occurred off road.

As far as the injuries to others, I’d say that’d be a personal liability thing as the auto policy may say nope, didn’t happen on a roadway. Don’t know for sure, but the voices in my head say it sounds good.

I feel if the insurance company deny the first coverage (car damage) they may as well deny the second one (personal injury). This just gave me a lesson on how expensive wheeling can be.

 

[RubenZ]

Wow so he's possibly hundreds of thousands out of pocket with the vehicle and medical bills/lawsuit

How do we know it’s his fault as far as medical injury to bystander? There’s a lot of dumbass bystanders at these events.

 

[KirkG]

This is an example of the importance of carrying and knowing how to use a Tourniquet, anyone and I mean anyone in 10 minutes can be taught to apply a tourniquet effectively. My kids carry tourniquets in their backpacks and know how to use them. We have over a decade of experience with the GWOT and stopping the bleed saves lives.
Prayers out to everyone involved

https://www.narescue.com/combat-application-tourniquet-c-a-t

Cant recommend enough having one in every vehicle and learn how to use it

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