[4xe recall] Sand contamination during the block casting process? Seriously?

[Aonarch]

Looks like the recall has now expanded to include the Lexus

https://www.yahoo.com/news/videos/toyota-recalls-120-000-tundra-023351932.html

I've heard the Lexus doesn't actually have issues. Maybe I am wrong though.

Lexus engine is built in Japan.

The V35A-FTS engine has been around since 2017 in the LS500 and those are not part of the recall.

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[cansberry]

Foreign manufacturers always seem to be held to a higher standard by the government than the Big 3, which might be why the Big 3 have a tendency to pump out

Voluntarily done by Toyota. Japanese business ethic just beats the crap out of ours.

 

[bjm00se]

They'll figure out a way to do a software patch for it. I'm only half kidding.

 

[AZpueblo]

I take an oil sample and lab test it on all my vehicle when I change the oil, just looking for things like this. None of my past oil test show high silicates, which might indicate evidence of sand. As a side note, if the airbox isn't properly sealed you might see high silicates as sand leaks into the intake. Since my tests have been clean, I'm not too stressed about this issue.

 

[AZpueblo]

From the NHTSA recall:
"Between May 2025, and August 2025, FCA US has analyzed available vehicle data such as
warranty claims, repair orders, and field incidents to determine root cause. FCA US has also
conducted multiple engine teardowns and determined the presence of sand within the engine
block. FCA US identified a period of time between June 2023 and March 2024 at the engine block
supplier, where the engines were not properly cleaned following the casting process. All reports of
engine compartment fires and loss of propulsion incidents have engines built during this suspect
window."

My '24 was built June 6, 2024 so pretty sure I'm in the clear (and my oil analysis reports confirm very minimal silicates).

 

[DaltonGang]

Early, and frequent oil changes, until they figure this out. It could be that so much sand is still inside, and breaking loose, throughout the engines life. This would be a "Worst-Case Scenario".

 

[WI_Sarge]

Now this in addition to the bulletin earlier this year for blocks being cast to porous and failing. WTF. Now they gonna crank up to 315 hp with some crazy injection system? Take my printed mopar extended warranty and cuddle with it at night now instead of my wife.

 

[Tr4ckD4ys]

From the NHTSA recall:
"Between May 2025, and August 2025, FCA US has analyzed available vehicle data such as
warranty claims, repair orders, and field incidents to determine root cause. FCA US has also
conducted multiple engine teardowns and determined the presence of sand within the engine
block. FCA US identified a period of time between June 2023 and March 2024 at the engine block
supplier, where the engines were not properly cleaned following the casting process. All reports of
engine compartment fires and loss of propulsion incidents have engines built during this suspect
window."

My '24 was built June 6, 2024 so pretty sure I'm in the clear (and my oil analysis reports confirm very minimal silicates).

When your vehicle was assembled and when the block was completed could be very far apart, depending on how much inventory is being held throughout the engine and vehicle assembly processes. If anything, I’d say chances are higher yours is not in the clear.

I also don’t really believe this 4xe-specificity… A 2.0T is a 2.0T. There does not seem to be a difference beyond the assembly plant. The blocks presumably come from the same supplier/plant.

 

[GinaC]

Well, those dates explain why I haven't gotten this particular recall... yet.

 

[Ratbert]

Well, those dates explain why I haven't gotten this particular recall... yet.

From the article:

Naturally, all affected vehicles will ultimately be serviced, but owners are not expected to be notified by mail until December 29.

 

[JayJLU]

Only the 4XE? Are those 2.0Ts built in a different factory/ area/ process, than the non-4xes? Or are the turbos different?

Not a good look. Engine recall and battery recall within the same month.

One should look at / read about all the Ford -
GM and Toyota recent recalls before being concerned about LOOKS

 

[BobW]

I would think that it has to do with parts manufactured outside the USA. Found this on the interweb: JEEP engines manufactured: * **2.0L Turbo:** Some say Trenton, Michigan, and Italy. * **3.6L V6:** Built in Dundee and Trenton, Michigan, and Saltillo, Mexico. * **HEMI:** Designed in the US, but built in Mexico. * **EcoDiesel:** Designed and built in Italy.

I see a trend here, but it could just be me. Though in my 60 years I have not seen recalls with regards to ICE vehicles in the U.S. at the numbers we have now. And also spontaneous combusting batteries. The insanity will continue until mfg’s feel more pain. How much pain will it take? Unknown, I believe it depends on board members and investors. Globalists suck.

Perhaps so. I suspect it has as much to do with cost-cutting money types. I worked with a purchasing agent who would spare no cost to save a penny.

 

[KCSgtMaj]

On the window sticker it says country of origin for the engine and transmission. On my 4xe, the engine is from the US.

I believe that globally sourced parts are the problem. I also believe the tappet problem in the 3.6L is a material deficiency not an oil lubrication problem.

 

[BXFXJeep]

Perhaps so. I suspect it has as much to do with cost-cutting money types. I worked with a purchasing agent who would spare no cost to save a penny.

.........and planned obsolescence, also long gone are the days when vehicles are built to last long beyond their warranty.

Like everything else, automotive sales today is mostly about selling massive perpetual debt, than it is about selling an actual decent product.

Your vehicle have a failure? no problem, here's a new one, and you get 5 year warranty for the engine, oh look the screen is bigger than the one in that failed 3 year old you have now......shiney, me likes....

We will roll in what you owe on your old junker, your payments are only $271 a week for a new car.

But I was only paying $125 a week for my car

Yeah, obviously that is why it failed on you, you get what you pay for, it sCiEnCe.

 

[cansberry]

I believe that globally sourced parts are the problem. I also believe the tappet problem in the 3.6L is a material deficiency not an oil lubrication problem.

But the sand is left over from casting the block. Which originates in the US. Which means it's US manufacturing that messed it up. It's not like it's a secret that "American made" hasn't meant jack in terms of quality for at least 30 years.

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