Tire comparisons, Owner ratings chart. What's good and what's hype

[zouch]

yep; must have missed that while i was distracted by the pics; love those tread patterns.
agreed; they're different.

Check out post 321 i posted sizes and photos comparing the two

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[Shots]

I'll rate the Maxxis RAZR MTs.
Noise - 10 because this is the quietest tire I've owned. I no longer drive with a top and you can hold a conversation peacefully while listening to the stereo. In fact, I hear the road noise of other trucks, cars, motorcycles, and vehicles over my Jeep.
Ride - 10 my JL rides better than it did off the dealer's lot with stock tires. My current tire is a 40x12.5x17 Maxxis RAZR MT and the ride is civilized. If you didn't need a step ladder and you were blind, you wouldn't even know my JL had mud tires on it.
Dry - 10 this tire handles perfectly on dry pavement - better than stock because it has more beef
Wet - 10 It's awesome in the rain unless you're the guy behind me
Snow - 0
Trail - 10 because it's a 10 ply I usually run it at 4 psi - but I usually run around 5mph or less. The sidewalls are treaded heavily and super strong
Look - 10 I actually first gave this tire a try because of its looks
Overall - 10 This tire really is bullet proof and it's quiet. I can't believe I've found the perfect tire. And since nobody knows about it, it's not crazy expensive.
Wear - 10 The tire is only halfway through its tread wear at 43k miles. Come on - for a mud tire?

Those are some great ratings. Seems to be a common opinion too. These things may gain some traction (yes, pun intended) and which will inevitably affect the prices. Get them while they're hot I guess. Or in this case, before they're hot, so the price is still lower.

37" KM3s roughly 20000 miles on them.
Noise = 6 acceptable for mud terrains but very loud at speed
Ride = 8 very good for an MT
Dry = 8 very good for an MT
Wet = 8 very good for an MT
Snow = 7 they've only seen snow once and did great, but ice they are average
Trail = 9 nothing bad but they aren't stickies lol
Look = 10
Overall = 10 Best on/offroad tires I've owned in 24 years of driving Jeeps
Wear = 8 20k miles on them with plenty of tread left

I've had these. The "very loud at speed" is 100% accurate. I couldn't take it. They look great though.

Goodyear Duratrac
Noise = 7
Ride = 8
Dry = 8
Wet = 6
Snow = 9
Trail = 10
Look = 9
Overall = 10
Wear = 9

Goodyear Wrangler A/T Adventure (Kevlar)
Noise = 10
Ride = 10
Dry = 8
Wet = 7
Snow = 4
Trail = 5
Look = 6
Overall = 7
Wear = 5

Milestar Patagonia 37
Noise = 6
Ride = 6
Dry = 7
Wet = 7
Snow = 6
Mud = 7
Sand = 6
Trail = 5
Look = 5 sidewall pattern looks like a monster energy drink can
Overall = 6
Wear = 5
Would I buy again? = Nope

Cooper STT Pro 37/40
Noise = 7
Ride = 7
Dry = 8
Wet = 7
Snow = 8
Mud = 8
Sand = 9
Trail = 9
Look = 10
Overall = 8
Wear = 7
Would I buy again? = Yes, great tire

Mickey Thompson Baja Boss 40
Noise = 7
Ride = 8
Dry =8
Wet = 8
Snow = 8
Mud = 8
Sand = 9
Trail = 10
Look = 10
Overall = 9
Wear = 7
Would I buy again? = Yes, my favorite tire so far, I don’t see myself moving away from this brand/ model.

KM3 39
Noise = 8
Ride = 8
Dry = 8
Wet = 7
Snow = 8
Mud = 8
Sand = 8
Trail = 7
Look = 7
Overall = 8
Wear = 6
Would I buy again? = No they run small and the traction gets progressively worse as they wear. I ran these on the rubicon when they were new and traction was great I thought “all the naysayers are full of crap” then understood what the complaints were about when I had about 10k miles on them. I began to struggle on obstacles everyone else on similar builds were making. Swapped to the STT pros and immediately felt a difference on the trail.

I appreciate the extra effort but mud and sand are not separately tracked. Basically trying to keep the list manageable without having too many variables for people to look at.

The Patagonia came out of the gate with a lot of hype, but their popularity seems to be faltering. I can only assume that you're right about the influencer thing. Which is why I wanted start a list like this. No hype, no social media status, incentives from vendors/manufacturers. Just pure and simple, honest reviews.
The STT Pro. Great looking tire, but the only tire I've had that I disliked more than it, is the KM3. The STT Pro were annoyingly loud, and complete trash in the snow and rain. Just awful tires for my area. Maybe better in an arid climate. Definitely not for me though, I loved the way they looked, but couldn't stand the noise, and they were borderline unsafe every time it rained.

Goodyear Duratrac R/T (the updated version) - 5,000 miles on them so far

Noise = 10 (they pretty much make no noise with this new tread pattern)
Ride = 8
Dry = 9
Wet = 7 (Minimal rain use at this point. Seemed to grip better)
Snow = N/A (No snow yet)
Trail = 10 (Same or better performance)
Look = 10 (These sidewalls look waaaay beefier)
Overall = 10 (Still a great value if you score them on a USAA discount)
Wear = N/A (too few miles to know how these will end up)

I haven't been on here in quite a while, but all the ratings have all been added/updated. The chart is now up to date.

 

[Shots]

And since, I'm back, I also added a new tire to the list (in addition to the others reviewed from the previous post).

I came across the Radar Renegade RT. I actually started with a set on my Ram. Similar to the Maxxis RAZR MT they're relatively unknown so pretty cheap. Honestly that's why I tried them on the Ram to begin with. They were cheap and all the reviews were good, so I figured I'd give them a shot. I was pleasantly surprised that were living up to the hype.

I liked them so much that I ditched the STT Pro's for a set of them on the Jeep too (swapped out the Rubicon rims for a black set while I was at it).
I didn't rate them for snow or wear yet. I haven't had them on the Jeep very long, but I'm optimistic about the snow traction based on how they performed on the truck. Wear is still unknown too but I'll update after racking up some decent miles on them.

 

[cram501]

My MOAB came with the KM2's and they are finally being replaced at around 15k. I"m finally getting a 2.5" lift and 35's and they are starting to cup. I've rotated them every 3k miles. Between Covid and retirement, the mileage for me is way down.

BFG KM2 - LT255/75R17C

Noise = 5 (Have always been really noisy on the highway.)
Ride = 8 (Overall a decent ride)
Dry = 10 (Great on dry pavement)
Wet = 6 (Slick on wet)
Snow = 8. (Snow performance was better than I expected.)
Trail = 10 (Loved these on the trail)
Look = 10
Overall = 8
Wear = 7

I'm going to an AT since this is my DD. I got used to the noise but they can get pretty loud at highway speeds.

 

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[Mocopo]

I have experience with a few different tires I'll share my thoughts on. I live in AZ, so I do not have experience in snow for most of these tires, only the K02s. Feel free to add if you wish.

BFG KO2 (ran on multiple vehicles in all conditions)
Noise = 9
Ride = 9
Dry = 9
Wet = 7
Snow = 8 (surprisingly well)
Trail = 7 (could use more traction)
Look = 7
Overall = 8
Wear = 6 (the trail is hard on them, I was losing chunks of tread often)

Cooper Discoverer AT3 XLT (my first ever 35"+ tire)
Noise = 8
Ride = 8
Dry = 9
Wet = 6
Snow =
Trail = 7
Look = 6
Overall = 7 (K02s just slightly better overall)
Wear = 8

Toyo Open Country M/T (a local favorite... I didn't like em)
Noise = 7
Ride = 7
Dry = 7
Wet = 7
Snow =
Trail = 5 (was only good in mud; i know people will disagree with me here)
Look = 8
Overall = 7
Wear = 6 (would often lose chunks of tread on the trail)

Cooper Discoverer STT PRO (current tire, seems you either love em or hate em)
Noise = 6
Ride = 7
Dry = 9
Wet = 6
Snow =
Trail = 10 (feel like it's their natural habitat)
Look = 10
Overall = 9
Wear = 9 (have held up the best of any of my tires on the trail so far)

 

[Jaysfan81]

Kinda surprised the Falken MT isn't on the list, they're standard on the Willys here in Canada.

 

[zouch]

might really help if you would make it clear if by Mickey Baja Boss you're talking about the A/T or the M/T.

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[Trekkor2020]

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On my quest for tires I've come across multiple threads that become tire debates. There are a lot of threads but not a lot of ways to compare one to another. I hope this thread/chart will serve as an easy reference tool to help people compare tires without having to read a thread for every tire they want to look at. It may also help them find a tire they didn't realize they might be interested in. To do this, I need your help.

I made the above chart based on actual user experience. I also added ratings from vendor/manufacturer on common tires discussed (some aren't rated yet). I will also add tires if someone reviews one that isn't on the list.

To contribute to the chart simply post what tire you want to rate, along with your ratings in the same order as the chart (Tire, Noise, Ride, Dry, Wet, Snow, Trail, Look, Overall). If you haven't driven in a condition, such as snow for you southerners, simply put a "0" or "x" for that rating.
For example someone from Florida wants to rate the Duratrac but they've never had them in the snow. They could post "Duratrac 9, 9, 10, 9, x, 8, 7, 9" and I'll add their rating in.

To clarify my categories. 1 is the worst 10 is the best.
Noise = I'm talking about road noise. How loud are they when you're driving?
Ride = How do they feel? Shhhh don't tell, but Jeeps drive on the road too, not just the trail. How does this tire feel on the road?
Dry = Do they corner well, do the stop well, do they spin easily when you accelerate?
Wet = This is the same question as dry, but when the ground is wet.
Snow = This lumps light snow, deep snow, slush and ice together. How does the tire handle in winter conditions.
Trail = This lumps all off-road use together. Rocks, dirt, sand, mud, etc. I know some tires are specific to different off-road conditions, but this chart is simplified. Just give it an overall trail rating on your experience.
Look = How do you like the look of the tire/tread? Are they aggressive enough looking, are they boring?
Overall = You're overall take on the tire. It doesn't have to be an average of your ratings. You may love the tire, despite it falling short in some categories.
Wear = Do they wear out fast/unevenly or do they wear like iron? Do the tread blocks chip off on the edges or do they hold up well to abuse. How is this tire in regards to durability.

That's it. Post up your ratings, and I'll continue to update the chart. Obviously we can have discussion about various tires throughout the thread too. Hopefully this goes as planned, and it will become a great tool.

EDIT/ADDITION:
Upon popular request, I added a category to the chart for wear. Same 1-10 scale, but you can rate how they've held up for you.

EDIT 1/21/23 FOR CLARIFICATION:
Just a remind, since it's come up a few times through the conversation of the thread. When reading the chart, the "Overall" category is NOT an average of all the categories. This is based on the reviewer's overall opinion of the tire regardless of how each category scores. For example, if they rate the tire 8's across the board, it may be the best tire they've ever had an thus feel it deserves a 10 overall. As a result the chart would show 8's in every category but a 10 overall rather than the averaged 8.

I have a 2020 Gladiator Rubicon with Kenda Klever RT601 - 35x11.5x17. I bought these in 2021 and they now have about 32K miles on them. I got them in narrow size to save some weight. I can't tell any impact on acceleration although I'm sure there is. I also got them for about $190 each back then. They have really gone up in price. We have been to 5 jeep Jamborees and several trips to Moab on them. They still look to have 5-8K miles left on them. They are down to 6-7/32s with the 32K.
Noise = 9
Ride = 9
Dry = 8
Wet = 7
Snow = N/A
Trail = 10
Look = 10
Overall = 9
Wear= 9

 

[Jtphoto]

Yokohama Geolandar MT G003
This tire is a bit on the harder side (harder rubber the say a Duratracs) so on icey roads they tend to slide around a bit in snow they work well.
This tire is a total 10 over most tires I’ve run but depends what you are use to. Compared to a PitBull Rocker it would only be 6.
Subjective but none the less it will give folks and idea.

Tire 10
Noise 8 (compared to a street tire)
Ride 10
Dry 10
Wet 9
Snow 9
Trail 9
Look 10
Overall 10

 

[3TV]

Yokohama Geolandar MT G003
This tire is a bit on the harder side (harder rubber the say a Duratracs) so on icey roads they tend to slide around a bit in snow they work well.
This tire is a total 10 over most tires I’ve run but depends what you are use to. Compared to a PitBull Rocker it would only be 6.
Subjective but none the less it will give folks and idea.

Tire 10
Noise 9
Ride 10
Dry 10
Wet 9
Snow 9
Trail 9
Look 10
Overall 10

Now this is interesting and shows the subjectivity of tire ratings in this thread. Last summer on the Rubicon Trail I talked with another fellow that also had a 392 JLUR. I was checking out his Jeep and talking to him and asked how he liked his 37" Geolander MT tires. He said they gave good traction, but they were very noisy on the highway. They were noisy enough that he said he would not buy another set because of that.

You just gave the Geolander MT a 9 out of 10 rating for noise, which means it is essentially as quiet as a passenger car street tire.

 

[Jtphoto]

Now this is interesting and shows the subjectivity of tire ratings in this thread. Last summer on the Rubicon Trail I talked with another fellow that also had a 392 JLUR. I was checking out his Jeep and talking to him and asked how he liked his 37" Geolander MT tires. He said they gave good traction, but they were very noisy on the highway. They were noisy enough that he said he would not buy another set because of that.

You just gave the Geolander MT a 9 out of 10 rating for noise, which means it is essentially as quiet as a passenger car street tire.

Yah maybe that’s a bit high for this application, I’ll edit it.
Totally Subjective is my point. The Geolandar is a 10 for noise compared to Pitbull and an 8 compared to what you would usually find on a Jeep. Not that noisy at all. Maybe he didn’t rotate them enough. Anyone that complains about the road noise on these would also complain about the noise of any given A/T. It’s people like that who have no idea how tire tech and design relate to traction off road. The very thing that makes an off road/MT tire great also makes them noisy on road. A quiet off road tire is a compromise..

 

[Flip]

Yokohama MT GOO3. I'm having great luck with mine so far. My overall rating at this point - 9

 

[Flip]

Now this is interesting and shows the subjectivity of tire ratings in this thread. Last summer on the Rubicon Trail I talked with another fellow that also had a 392 JLUR. I was checking out his Jeep and talking to him and asked how he liked his 37" Geolander MT tires. He said they gave good traction, but they were very noisy on the highway. They were noisy enough that he said he would not buy another set because of that.

You just gave the Geolander MT a 9 out of 10 rating for noise, which means it is essentially as quiet as a passenger car street tire.

Yeah, I agree. Its not as quite as a road tire on my sedan. Thats true.

But seriously, so far, so good. For a mud terrain tire, they're surprisingly quite to me. I hope it stays this way.

 

[3TV]

Yah maybe that’s a bit high for this application, I’ll edit it.
Totally Subjective is my point. The Geolandar is a 10 for noise compared to Pitbull and an 8 compared to what you would usually find on a Jeep. Not that noisy at all. Maybe he didn’t rotate them enough. Anyone that complains about the road noise on these would also complain about the noise of any given A/T. It’s people like that who have no idea how tire tech and design relate to traction off road. The very thing that makes an off road/MT tire great also makes them noisy on road. A quiet off road tire is a compromise..

I hear you. I have seriously thought of getting those Geolander MT tires for myself, because they sure look like they would be a great tire. I was really surprised when he complained about the noise of his tires, because my first thought was, "how can you even hear the tires with the exhaust noise of a 392?". Granted, he still had the stock exhaust on his, and I have the AWE exhaust on mine. But still, tire noise on a 392 would be way down the list of concerns for me.

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