When is the JL Facelift coming?

[AcesandEights]

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Things that are standard or at least optional across the industry that the wrangler is missing that could be added without having to redesign the whole thing or compromising the "trail-rated" aspect of what makes a Jeep a Jeep:

• One-touch windows up
• Cooled seats
• wireless Android Auto/Carplay
• Automatic windshield wipers
• LED headlights as standard (still blows my mind that they're not on a $40K+ vehicle)
• Replace the "mute" button (which is actually a pause button) with something more useful
• Waterproof (and smaller) keyfob. Threedom and Rivian have both shown significantly better keyfob options are possible without changing the technology
• Include a winch plate in the "winch-ready" OEM steel bumper

Another more drastic thing that I don't [personally] think would really have a big negative impact (but I'm sure someone will come along to decry) would be to just curve the damn windshield. The # of people who lower it these days vs the # of people who have to replace the whole thing because a grain of salt hit it

I like most of what's not struck through here. Please for the love of gawd, don't make any safety features standard, don't increase the already too-large screen, and basically make roll-up windows standard on all trims. Good-lawd they've built the Honda Civic or Toyota Corolla of Jeeps as standard, bah!

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[rcadden]

Keep adding things as standard and it will be $40k+

As mine on the way stickers about $32k I wouldn’t want to spend $8k more for LEDs

I do see what you’re saying, but I still like that options are options and not standard to keep pricing down. I think too much is already standard, I would have rather skipped a lot more my Jeep is coming with in order to get the lower price. That doesn’t mean the other things can’t be options if you want them, but the more standard features, the higher the price keeps going.

My wife has a nice loaded Highlander with lots of features and it is nice, though we have never used the Car Play because it has built in navigation.
I still think my Tacoma which was also PooPooed in this thread is pretty nice though too.

None of this has to be standard on the Sport/Willys. Keep those basic, and introduce standards at the Sahara/Rubicon trims. Agreed that a $30K Sport doesn't need to have all the things, but a $50K Sahara absolutely should. For comparison, when I was vehicle shopping, I was also considering a Chevy Silverado RST Texas Edition Z71 - it rang up at a similar ~$50K but had all of this technology and more.

I love my Jeep and I understand that it's a different vehicle (which is why I bought it and not the Silverado) but this "technology is bad" mindset that's so prevalent in the Jeep community is going to be the downfall as other more/equally capable vehicles like the Bronco/Rivian come up.

Bone stock, the Bronco/Rivian can handle 80% of the trails that a Jeep can, and I would argue 99% of the trails that the vast majority of Jeeps are likely to see, but they offer a more modern, innovative package for approximately the same price*

*The Rivian is significantly more expensive but I think it's about 30K overpriced, personally.

 

[TX_Ovrlnd]

I like most of what's not struck through here. Please for the love of gawd, don't make any safety features standard, don't increase the already too-large screen, and basically make roll-up windows standard on all trims. Good-lawd they've built the Honda Civic or Toyota Corolla of Jeeps as standard, bah!

It'd be nice if they turned the Willys into a stripped down Rubicon, just the axles and disconnect stuff really. Then had another model with all the fancy packages you could want. That way they could cater to both crowds. Inevitably you'd still have people unhappy.

 

[Victory]

None of this has to be standard on the Sport/Willys. Keep those basic, and introduce standards at the Sahara/Rubicon trims. Agreed that a $30K Sport doesn't need to have all the things, but a $50K Sahara absolutely should. For comparison, when I was vehicle shopping, I was also considering a Chevy Silverado RST Texas Edition Z71 - it rang up at a similar ~$50K but had all of this technology and more.

I love my Jeep and I understand that it's a different vehicle (which is why I bought it and not the Silverado) but this "technology is bad" mindset that's so prevalent in the Jeep community is going to be the downfall as other more/equally capable vehicles like the Bronco/Rivian come up.

Bone stock, the Bronco/Rivian can handle 80% of the trails that a Jeep can, and I would argue 99% of the trails that the vast majority of Jeeps are likely to see, but they offer a more modern, innovative package for approximately the same price*

*The Rivian is significantly more expensive but I think it's about 30K overpriced, personally.

I’m not familiar with the Silverado but I can assume that Silverado RST Texas Edition Z71 is a pretty loaded up trim level- basically Chevy took a bunch of their optional features and put them in a nice package. I’m glad there are still base models and optioned models, so I wouldn’t necessarily compare what’s standard in a Jeep to what’s essentially optional in a Silverado.

I could be totally off on this as I don’t know what’s standard in a Silverado.

 

[OrneryBear]

I don't know about anyone else, but I think the JL is the best looking iteration of the Jeep Wrangler and I hope they keep the future changes to the interior alone rather than the exterior. I think we are in that sweet spot for great aesthetic appearance with practical size even in the 2-door, but think that Jeep should offer an option for vinyl floors and seats. Maybe they should make all Wranglers come standard with LEDs all around while making BSM and ACC standard. I personally thought the JK was beyond ugly inside and out so I can't complain about the JL hardly at all besides some small things. Just my $.02 for what it's worth.

EWW I would have been much less happy if our jeep came standard with BSM and ACC. LED I could live with but I wouldn't pay more for them.

Also mentioned people asking for a bigger screen, I disagree, the 8.4 is plenty big. They should just make that standard.

 

[Xorak]

None of this has to be standard on the Sport/Willys. Keep those basic, and introduce standards at the Sahara/Rubicon trims. Agreed that a $30K Sport doesn't need to have all the things, but a $50K Sahara absolutely should. For comparison, when I was vehicle shopping, I was also considering a Chevy Silverado RST Texas Edition Z71 - it rang up at a similar ~$50K but had all of this technology and more.

I love my Jeep and I understand that it's a different vehicle (which is why I bought it and not the Silverado) but this "technology is bad" mindset that's so prevalent in the Jeep community is going to be the downfall as other more/equally capable vehicles like the Bronco/Rivian come up.

Bone stock, the Bronco/Rivian can handle 80% of the trails that a Jeep can, and I would argue 99% of the trails that the vast majority of Jeeps are likely to see, but they offer a more modern, innovative package for approximately the same price*

*The Rivian is significantly more expensive but I think it's about 30K overpriced, personally.

I disagree, just bought a Sahara and purposely didn't want the "safety" packages and also purposely wanted cloth seats. I like that those items are optional and not standard. That gives us choices and choices are good.

 

[rcadden]

I’m not familiar with the Silverado but I can assume that Silverado RST Texas Edition Z71 is a pretty loaded up trim level- basically Chevy took a bunch of their optional features and put them in a nice package. I’m glad there are still base models and optioned models, so I wouldn’t necessarily compare what’s standard in a Jeep to what’s essentially optional in a Silverado.

I could be totally off on this as I don’t know what’s standard in a Silverado.

It's about mid-tier, similar to the Sahara, which is why I used it for comparison.

Chevy has a ridiculously dizzying number of trims/combinations for the Silverado. There are [currently] 8 different trims (WT/Work Truck, Custom, Custom Trail Boss, LT, RST, LT Trail Boss, LTZ, High Country, and ZR2), and then the Z71 and Texas Edition 'packages' can be added to some.

 

[Jtclayton612]

I’ll admit cooled seats would be nice if I had leather. I kinda detest leather seats though living in the south. So sticky, if I wear shorts my skin is always stuck to it.

 

[jeepdabest]

Seems the JL is getting a bit long in the tooth, especially in the infotainment area... is there a facelift planned for '24?

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JC

Imagine them trying to do Lane Keep in the JL! LMAOOOOOOOOO

 

[MesaAZGuy]

Perhaps one of the safety features added on can be wheel wobble detection where it would steer the Jeep centered in the lane using IR Laser cameras all while slowly applying the brakes. Perhaps magnetic discs added to the rotors with anti user correction to prevent user interference while the Jeep autocorrects itself while balancing the torsion motors on the ball joints to effectively eradicate said wobble.

I’d check that box on the order form

 

[TX_Ovrlnd]

I’ll admit cooled seats would be nice if I had leather. I kinda detest leather seats though living in the south. So sticky, if I wear shorts my skin is always stuck to it.

I'm looking at these! I really miss the cooled seats I had in my Denali 2500, it made the long road trips so much nicer.
https://katzkin.com/degreez/

 

[Strommen95]

What does the Bronco have I like:


10spd transmission

I have a feeling you haven't driven the 10 speed much. The ZF is much smoother and more reliable.

 

[tshaw2009]

EWW I would have been much less happy if our jeep came standard with BSM and ACC. LED I could live with but I wouldn't pay more for them.

Also mentioned people asking for a bigger screen, I disagree, the 8.4 is plenty big. They should just make that standard.

Yeah, the bigger screen doesn't make any difference to me either. I just have the 7 inch screen and I think that is plenty. I'm also a no frills, no hand-holdy features guy as well, but you can choose whether or not to use those features with switches on most vehicles. I just think any new safety features should be standard at no additional cost, whether people choose to use them or not.

 

[lowmpg]

I have a feeling you haven't driven the 10 speed much. The ZF is much smoother and more reliable.

You'd be wrong. I've had it in both a F-series and Cadillac. I had no issues with it at all.

 

[Pingbling23]

None of this has to be standard on the Sport/Willys. Keep those basic, and introduce standards at the Sahara/Rubicon trims. Agreed that a $30K Sport doesn't need to have all the things, but a $50K Sahara absolutely should. For comparison, when I was vehicle shopping, I was also considering a Chevy Silverado RST Texas Edition Z71 - it rang up at a similar ~$50K but had all of this technology and more.

I love my Jeep and I understand that it's a different vehicle (which is why I bought it and not the Silverado) but this "technology is bad" mindset that's so prevalent in the Jeep community is going to be the downfall as other more/equally capable vehicles like the Bronco/Rivian come up.

Bone stock, the Bronco/Rivian can handle 80% of the trails that a Jeep can, and I would argue 99% of the trails that the vast majority of Jeeps are likely to see, but they offer a more modern, innovative package for approximately the same price*

*The Rivian is significantly more expensive but I think it's about 30K overpriced, personally.

How long ago were you shopping? An RST texas edition is over 60k without any extra options. Silverado pricing (truck pricing in general) has gotten ridiculous. I plan to sell my avalanche and order a LT trailboss 6.2 but am having a hard time coming to terms with paying almost 70k for a pick up.

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