Think the 2018s will be valuable?

[Solidaxle]

No ,
Definitely not and imho they will definitely be worth less. Let me explain why. The 2018 wrangler JL roll out was terrible it’s missing options , there are production glitches and it will have a one year only power train without BSG. 2019 Wrangler JL going forward as far as the eye can see will have a different power train , different electronics to handle the 48volts and several options that were not available in 2018. When the aftermarket support really gears up years from now they’ll be a cut off date and it’ll say note “will not fit 2018 JL with 3.6 ESS only”. In 10 years from now people will forget all the small details of the changeover but one thing will be for sure 2018 will be a very confusing year with a limited powertrain, first year new factory glitches and bugs. To the carmax crowd it won’t matter wrangler or wrangler. To the jeep people and enthusiasts they will avoid the 2018 and the enthusiasts and the hard-core people are what make the resale value really high or normal because on the books it’s just going to be a 2018 which is worth less than a 2019 period.

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[That One Guy]

I don't G.A.S.-

Whatever

JIMBO

Thanks for making a post announcing that.

Instead of just doing so silently.

Irony.

 

[That One Guy]

That is an interesting thought- a 2006 TJ brings a premium over the 2007 JK, but I would say that has more to do with the 3.8 motor vs the 4.0. On the other hand the 2012 (first year of the 3.6) has a huge premium over the 2011 JK's because of the better motor, and transmission even though the 2011 and 2012 have the same interior. You also do not see a huge jump from 2010 to 2011 meaning the interior changes are not driving the price difference. If I were to have to guess, I would say that it will draw a premium over the JK's just because the JL's are such a HUGE step up. I drove it 3 hours yesterday with top down and mixed driving. It felt like a normal SUV for 99% of the ride. I think the 2018 will be just as desirable. And if you were one of the lucky ones to get a color like Nacho, or Hella Yellow (assuming they do not do that color in 2019) then I think you will have a decent premium on yours.

The fact of the matter is that it all has to do with the 2nd hand market and what people want. People want a low mileage TJ over a low mileage 2007 JK, so the JK dropped in value a bit while the TJ's hold strong. If people want the JL because it is better in almost every conceivable way (which I think they will) I believe the 2018 JL's will hold their value much better than the 2018 JK's.

Only time will tell.

That being said, the JK was an absolutely substantial departure from the TJ. The TJ had the beloved straight six, and the early JK had the hated minivan V6. Styling on the TJ was generally considered more classic and preferred.

If they didn't command a premium I'd love to own a TJ Wrangler. Due to ridiculous resale value, I cannot.

 

[JIMBOX]

Thanks for making a post announcing that.

Instead of just doing so silently.

Irony.

Thanx Homie--it's always good to raise your bean count-

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[Martindfletcher]

No ,
Definitely not and imho they will definitely be worth less. Let me explain why. The 2018 wrangler JL roll out was terrible it’s missing options , there are production glitches and it will have a one year only power train without BSG. 2019 Wrangler JL going forward as far as the eye can see will have a different power train , different electronics to handle the 48volts and several options that were not available in 2018. When the aftermarket support really gears up years from now they’ll be a cut off date and it’ll say note “will not fit 2018 JL with 3.6 ESS only”. In 10 years from now people will forget all the small details of the changeover but one thing will be for sure 2018 will be a very confusing year with a limited powertrain, first year new factory glitches and bugs. To the carmax crowd it won’t matter wrangler or wrangler. To the jeep people and enthusiasts they will avoid the 2018 and the enthusiasts and the hard-core people are what make the resale value really high or normal because on the books it’s just going to be a 2018 which is worth less than a 2019 period.

Agreed but bought one anyway

 

[kkuntz01]

I think this whole Jeep thing is a fad and won't last very long....

And here I thought it was like Herpes, once you caught it you can't get rid of it...

 

[kkuntz01]

A Wrangler is a Wrangler and it'll still hold it's value reasonably well. Whether it retains a greater percentage of it's resale value will be dependent on how much more its going to cost to repair the future models with the 48v electrical systems. If people are starting seeing increased costs for repair or even for modifications (any electrical accessories) it could in theory create more demand for models that operate on the a 12v system.

Besides, as much concern as some people have about buying into a first year of a redesigned model, personally I feel a little more confident in the '18 JL I'm ordering than the 2019's to come since that will be something completely new and untested. My 2¢ on the matter is they'll likely spend the next year or two so working the bugs out of the that system and have it dialed by the 2021 (hopefully).

 

[Jrbrannan]

That being said, the JK was an absolutely substantial departure from the TJ. The TJ had the beloved straight six, and the early JK had the hated minivan V6. Styling on the TJ was generally considered more classic and preferred.

If they didn't command a premium I'd love to own a TJ Wrangler. Due to ridiculous resale value, I cannot.

Agreed, I bought a 2004 Rubicon about 6 years ago with 36,000 miles for $13,500. I never should have sold it. Granted I made a couple thousand when I ended up selling it a year later, but I still miss the simplicity of the TJ.

 

[HeavyMetal]

Thanx Homie--it's always good to raise your bean count-

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JIMBO

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[Schrodinger]

This is a interesting topic (how much do you lose driving it off the lot?)... but what are we talking about $5k max in resale value? I wasted more than that with just lift and tires. Just buy what you want drive it and repeat.

If you want an investment put it somewhere else.

 

[OldGuyNewJeep]

Whatever

I'm just hear to say that I like your user name.

 

[That One Guy]

Another angle: to me, I personally don't care if 2018's are worth a slight bit less--because no matter what Wranglers have insane resale value. It's so high that if mine ends up being a total Italian POS, I'll be able to just sell it in two years, barely losing five grand. That can be said for virtually no other new vehicle outside of the Toyota Tacoma.

I don't care about the "loss" of ordering a late 2018 for the same reason. Depreciation is barely a real cost with a Jeep Wrangler.

 

[KillaRubi]

Another angle: to me, I personally don't care if 2018's are worth a slight bit less--because no matter what Wranglers have insane resale value. It's so high that if mine ends up being a total Italian POS, I'll be able to just sell it in two years, barely losing five grand. That can be said for virtually no other new vehicle outside of the Toyota Tacoma.

I don't care about the "loss" of ordering a late 2018 for the same reason. Depreciation is barely a real cost with a Jeep Wrangler.

Exactly, its not like we are talking about a KIA sportage. Plus, the amount of money people throw away from trading in a vehicle with upgrade wheels and tires and lift (which they will not see a return on), it really doesnt matter much. the wrangler will hold its value well enough that 2018 or 2019 wont matter much either. As long as you dont pay 2k over MSRP and carry over negative equity from your previous purchase, youre good.

 

[56nomad56]

As far as long term resale, I'm on bringatrailer.com a lot and the knowledge of the commenters there is phenomenal. Valuations can vary based a wide variety of factors, and many model years have specific failure areas that buyers should be aware of. For example, the carbon buildup in the RS4 Audis and the IMS bearings in Porsches. Only time will tell how the '18s hold up compared to following model years.

That being said, as long as gas prices don't skyrocket, states like CA don't ban ICEs, and the JLU doesn't develop a bad reliability history, resale values should be typical for the Wrangler brand.

 

[JIMBOX]

"Whew"

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