Wrangler VS. Tacoma?

[The Great Grape Ape]

Yes but still not as reliable and resale not as good as the Tacoma.

Depends on the year, model and the metric. They both lead the pack, trading places, neither one is significantly far from the other.
Canadian Black Book and Intellichoice, has the Wrangler leading the pack, KBB has the Tacoma on top.
Intellichoice and KBB have the cost of ownership as shown above changing spots depending on setup.

The reliability and resale argument isn't an either/or it's Both are Excellent.
People revert to that ehen their choice doesn't wuite measure up elsewhere.

Plus, I'm sure those Rust Recall Tacomas woulda skewed the metrics a bit had they seen that coming a bit better at the time.

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[Vegas_Sirk]

Depends on the year, model and the metric. They both lead the pack, trading places, neither one is significantly far from the other.
Canadian Black Book and Intellichoice, has the Wrangler leading the pack, KBB has the Tacoma on top.
Intellichoice and KBB have the cost of ownership as shown above changing spots depending on setup.

The reliability and resale argument isn't an either/or it's Both are Excellent.
People revert to that ehen their choice doesn't wuite measure up elsewhere.

Plus, I'm sure those Rust Recall Tacomas woulda skewed the metrics a bit had they seen that coming a bit better at the time.

I think he means the Chevy/GMC Colorado/Canyon. Which while I agree its not the top spot like the Tacoma in resale value its very close in recent years. The fact that GM is building trucks with motors that people want has been taking marketshare away from Toyota.

https://www.kbb.com/new-cars/best-resale-value-awards/best-resale-mid-size-pickup-truck/

 

[digitalbliss]

Surprisingly, that's not really true. A lot of people think that due to other FCA products lacking in those areas, but the Wrangler does quite well, and just like the Tacoma they both are perennial best in class winners for cost of ownership in their categories and very close to each other, and well ahead of other options (like the $41K+ for a Cherokee, or ~ $40K for a Subaru Outback), both the Tacoma and Wrangler not only lead the resale numbers, they also lead the cost of ownership as well.

So this perceived gulf in reliability and cost of maintenance isn't born out by the authorities on the subject which put them right next to each other.

https://www.kbb.com/new-cars/total-cost-of-ownership/

I've included a JKU Sport to Rubicon HR for range , and the Tacoma SR to TRD Pro for comparison. they trade spots depending on configuration, but both are better than most of their competition out there and are far more similar than people give the Wrangler credit for.

I think the Jeeps do very well as said here. But to be fair, an Outback isnt $40k in any trim ( I own a 2015 Limited with every option including eyesight).

 

[The Great Grape Ape]

I think the Jeeps do very well as said here. But to be fair, an Outback isnt $40k in any trim ( I own a 2015 Limited with every option including eyesight).

You misunderstand/misread the metric, I'm not referring to purchase price / MSRP, but instead KBB's Cost to Own. Comparing MSRPs alone yields nothing in the idea of reliability with its costs, and resale retention.

Despite a lower MSRP the base 2.5i Outback costs more to own over 5 years than the JKU Sport according to KBB. That Outback cost of ownership goes from a low of about $38K for the 2.5i Premium (KBB's default for this category) , about $41.7K for the 2.5i Limited, about $45K for the 2.5i Touring, about $44.5K for the 3.6R Limited up to just over $47K for the 3.6R Touring whose MSRP is listed as $39K, which would put it close to ~$40K if that was even what I was refering to, which it wasn't.

I was trying to be fair by putting the cost of ownership for the Subi in the about the $40K mark and not try to skew the numbers and high side it with a ~ $45K+ statement, which wouldn't be as representative of the bigger picture as the ~40K number, which I think is fair.

 

[digitalbliss]

You misunderstand/misread the metric, I'm not referring to purchase price / MSRP, but instead KBB's Cost to Own. Comparing MSRPs alone yields nothing in the idea of reliability with its costs, and resale retention.

Despite a lower MSRP the base 2.5i Outback costs more to own over 5 years than the JKU Sport according to KBB. That Outback cost of ownership goes from a low of about $38K for the 2.5i Premium (KBB's default for this category) , about $41.7K for the 2.5i Limited, about $45K for the 2.5i Touring, about $44.5K for the 3.6R Limited up to just over $47K for the 3.6R Touring whose MSRP is listed as $39K, which would put it close to ~$40K if that was even what I was refering to, which it wasn't.

I was trying to be fair by putting the cost of ownership for the Subi in the about the $40K mark and not try to skew the numbers and high side it with a ~ $45K+ statement, which wouldn't be as representative of the bigger picture as the ~40K number, which I think is fair.

You're right, I misread the intent of your post. With that being said, for people in the south, the outback with still have a lower cost of ownership with a newly purchased vehicle than jeep. Subaru offers free 2 year maintenance with a new vehicle purchase in "sunbelt states". But this really doesn't matter because I doubt many people are trying to choose between the two anyway.

 

[Vegas_Sirk]

I feel like cost of ownership on the Wrangler is even better then what is shown by KBB.

The purchase price of my Wrangler was $37,250 after negotiation (MSRP of $43,XXX)

Its current KBB value is now around $31,500 so deprecation is around $5,750 for 4 years.

Maintenance is as follows:

-18 Oil Changes x $30 = $540.00
-Diff Fluids = $250.00
-One new set of 35" Tires = $1,300.00
-Set Of Brakes (I decided to do rotors too) = $400.00
-New Battery: $250.00

Grand Total: $8,490.00 for 4 years. Only thing I'm not including is fuel. Which is roughly $2,100 a year for me which would bring the total up to $16,810.00 which is almost half of the KBB cost.

Dose KBB include Insurance as well or anything else?

 

[The Great Grape Ape]

Dose KBB include Insurance as well or anything else?

Yep, it's all explained in the first link I provided.

http://www.kbb.com/new-cars/total-cost-of-ownership/

PS, MotorTrend also has their IntelliChoice equivalent, but it's a pain to grab that data without logging in.

 

[wanderer]

Seriously if you are considering a tacoma you can't really compare it to a jeep. The reasons have been listed on here but you could compare a tacoma to a Colorado zr2. Full lockers front and rear. Much more comfortable than a taco. Much better looking. Imho doesn't look like a storm trooper helmet can fitb33s with a 1 inch leveling kit. I owned my 08 jeep and the 07 taco at the same time one had to. It was a no brained I still own the jeep. My name on another forum. Jeep or tacoma,,,,,, wait and get the jeep nuf said

 

[JaybearWL]

If there’s a taco where I can take the top and doors off (plausibly), please show it to me!!!!

 

[The Great Grape Ape]

If there’s a taco where I can take the top and doors off (plausibly), please show it to me!!!!

I can find you pics of a lot of doorless Tacos , but topless is harder to find as their owners don’t react well to natural light.


I’ve seen doorless mods of an old 2dr XJ Cherokee and a Geo Tracker actually on the trails out here years ago.

I think they, like the Tacos, were moded because they were on their last legs an just trail vehicles, so not quite the same as a new Wrangler.

 

[Niteshooter]

Hmmm doesn't seem like a true comparison, pickup vs Jeep.... granted my preference is for a 2 door Wrangler so that would skew the comparison even further.

Besides which if you are thinking of wheeling the taco then I might want to reconsider this and look at Rebels and Power Wagons instead with their air suspension systems which can be pumped up an additional 2" for off road use and come fitted with 33" tires and off road suspension.

And for the comparison, V6 taco vs V8 rebel. I tried to option out the taco to make it comparable to either a Jeep or rebel offroad capability wise.

The rebel does come with a V6 Pentastar mated to an 8 spd auto tranny standard which would knock $1400 CDN off the price below but for the difference in MPG why not get the Hemi. Also added the U-Connect nav radio option though would likely have also added the 9 speaker Alpine sound system as well as it is quite good but not sure what I saw taco wise so to make it fair....

In terms of the published reliability figures well personally I would say it depends and if you flip your vehicles within their warranty periods then it is probably not as critical. I didn't check warranty on the taco.

Now if you compare the new Jeep pickup to the taco I have no idea.

 

[Niteshooter]

But you know you really want a Power Wagon instead of a taco....

 

[The Great Grape Ape]

But you know you really want a Power Wagon instead of a taco....

Well, the PW did just earn top marks when TruckTrend/MT put it up against the New Raptor and New ZR2 when crossing the Quebec-Trans-Labrador Hwy, eh !

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/ram/...vs-ford-f-150-raptor-vs-ram-2500-power-wagon/

 

[WXman]

Bottom line is: Jeep Wrangler/Ram Power Wagon/Colorado ZR2/Ford Raptor all offer what people want. Toyota Tacoma doesn't. Have you seen a Tacoma TRD Off Road in person? It's got the least V6 torque in the entire segment. A plastic cargo box. Highway rated tires. No front locker. Seating position taken right out of the Camry. It's NOT what people shopping this segment want, which is probably why it's losing most media and magazine battles these days. Also, Toyota is #4 on the list of most recalls by brands in the U.S. over the last 10 years, whereas Jeep isn't even on the list.

 

[Niteshooter]

Well, the PW did just earn top marks when TruckTrend/MT put it up against the New Raptor and New ZR2 when crossing the Quebec-Trans-Labrador Hwy, eh !

http://www.motortrend.com/cars/ram/...vs-ford-f-150-raptor-vs-ram-2500-power-wagon/

Thanks for the link! I read the short version in Chapters the other day. Interesting that the Rebel wasn't as capable as the Power Wagon. Wonder if the difference in tire choice Toyo vs BFG and axels is the difference as both have the air suspension and Bilstein shocks granted they could be different part numbers and different setups. One thing that I noticed with the Rebel, the spare is a Goodyear wrangler and not another Toyo plus it's a 32" on a steel wheel. At least on Jeeps they give you the same tire and wheels.

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