Twinkle Toes I'm Not

[autotragic]

Can't even blame you, literally everyone raves about the auto.
I should probably see if a friend will let me drive one of theirs one day
Or I suppose I could always go test drive one ?‍ Just go waste some salesman's time, cause I sure ain't tradin' mine in.

I test drove a 2.0/auto 2 door and it was such a let down that I refused to buy one after that.

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[J.Ferreira]

I test drove a 2.0/auto 2 door and it was such a let down that I refused to buy one after that.

I don't remember if I said it in this thread or not, I ordered mine sight unseen.
I'd driven some JKs over a decade ago, but I knew I'd want a manual regardless so that's what I ordered.
Didn't even test drive anything the day I went to the dealership and placed my order. lol

 

[autotragic]

I don't remember if I said it in this thread or not, I ordered mine sight unseen.
I'd driven some JKs over a decade ago, but I knew I'd want a manual regardless so that's what I ordered.
Didn't even test drive anything the day I went to the dealership and placed my order. lol

I know the 8 speed is "fine" but the only reason some people love it so much is that in my opinion at least the JL clutch and trans is...sub-optimal. Chiefly the entirely too soft clutch. Also the step from that deep 5.13 first gear to the "normal" 2.63 2nd gear is also hard to get over for a lot of people.

 

[J.Ferreira]

I know the 8 speed is "fine" but the only reason some people love it so much is that in my opinion at least the JL clutch and trans is...sub-optimal. Chiefly the entirely too soft clutch. Also the step from that deep 5.13 first gear to the "normal" 2.63 2nd gear is also hard to get over for a lot of people.

I know quite a few people that go pretty high into the rev range to go for the jump from 1st to 2nd. But, the Jeep makes me drive like an old lady now. Definitely more about the drive than the destination for me these days, I shift like 2.5-3k to go to second typically. lol

 

[6th Floor Mule]

I know quite a few people that go pretty high into the rev range to go for the jump from 1st to 2nd. But, the Jeep makes me drive like an old lady now. Definitely more about the drive than the destination for me these days, I shift like 2.5-3k to go to second typically. lol

Same here . . . shifting at 2500-2700 rpm’s works fine. Not winning any stoplight races, but I’m getting where I need to go. ?

 

[6th Floor Mule]

I sure as hell didn't know it was defective when I bought mine. That (1st?) recall came out subsequently. I was simply stupid enough to believe the things posted here about how great the manual is.

I get it, and I understand why the early adopters are pissed. I can honestly say I have no idea when the 6MT issues first surfaced. However, I do know I purchased my March ‘18 built Sahara in July of 2020 and there was at least one open recall at the time. Prior to June 2020, the word “Jeep” wasn’t even in my vocabulary, but I had friends with trouble free Wranglers so I dove in head first. My previous point was directed more towards recent purchases, where ample evidence of issues could sway a decision.

 

[Ratbert]

I get it, and I understand why the early adopters are pissed. I can honestly say I have no idea when the 6MT issues first surfaced. However, I do know I purchased my March ‘18 built Sahara in July of 2020 and there was at least one open recall at the time. Prior to June 2020, the word “Jeep” wasn’t even in my vocabulary, but I had friends with trouble free Wranglers so I dove in head first. My previous point was directed more towards recent purchases, where ample evidence of issues could sway a decision.

Not everyone does sufficient research when doing that purchase. I foolishly didn't.

I was talking to the owner of a local shop about the anemic performance of what I'd bought. Up to that point I was convinced that manuals always had better performance characteristics than an automatic. My mind was blown when he made it clear that in this case they did not.

My research had been focused on these forums. I apparently didn't search sufficiently (or was too blind by my positive bias towards manuals) to see the negatives.

 

[[DELETED MEMBER 103062]]

This is exactly the reason I would never order another Wrangler stick. Having owned two JKs with them, I felt like a new driver learning to shift. It seems there is a delay in the fly by wire coordinating between the accelerator pedal and the engine. Oh, I was eventually able to make it function in an almost normal way, but it simply was not worth it to me to do it again. Good luck, I feel your pain.

And what I noticed is that fly by wire delay seems to change the clutch bite point depending on load.

 

[[DELETED MEMBER 103062]]

Maybe I’m an anomaly, but I have zero issues with my 6MT. Surely I’m not the only one out here. Anyone, anyone? Beuller? Beuller?

Prior to purchase, I researched the recalls and read all the hate and still drove out of state for a test drive. I drove it, drove it some more, and went back two weeks later and bought it. I’d prefer not to be considered an “asshat” for not having issues, but it is what it is. Even if I had issues, wouldn’t be on me for buying a vehicle with a known “faulty“ clutch? The 6MT issues have been around for 6 years now, so I don’t understand how someone could be suddenly surprised by the 6MT’s faults. How do you knowingly buy a “faulty“ product and then complain about the product being faulty?

I admitedly did not due the research that I should have. The previos owner mentioned the clutch recall in passing and I assumed that Jeep had a fix a year after the recall came out. My bad for assuming. At this very moment, I'm sitting in the corner with my asshat on because it's all my fault! Damn it! I hate it when it's all my fault and have to sit in the corner with my asshat on!

 

[[DELETED MEMBER 103062]]

You need an ACT clutch spring. The JL's clutch feel is set entirely too soft from the factory and has too much assist which is what is making the pedal so light you can't tell WTF it's actually doing.

https://www.advancedclutch.com/871087p-compression-spring-for-jeep-jl-jt-pedal-assembly

Thank you! I agree that the clutch is way to soft and will look into this.

 

[[DELETED MEMBER 103062]]

OP Udate:
So after 600 miles in the new rig I'm starting to get the hang of this goofy clutch about 70% of the time off the line. For a reality check I took my JK out for a ride today and got to enjoy and appreciate a real man pedal. Hard to describe unless you've owned a JK, but I feel totally connected to the clutch, the transmission and most importantly the ground, because it's always consistant and predictable, even though it takes two men and a strong boy to depress the pedal.

While I enjoy many of the technological updates of the my new JL, and in general I feel the JL is a great platform, the clutch is a deal breaker. Especially since my dealer told me today that there is no solution in sight with regard to the recall. And with the ocassional odoriferous air of a burning clutch in the cab for no good reason when just driving down the road, makes it time for a change. I'll either get a dealer to buy it and take a big hit or install an after market clutch for $3k and forfeit the remaining drivetrain warranty. Either way it will be a hard lesson but it's my bad for not doing my research along with being dead set on a 3 pedal 2 door. Now one could agrue that there is only one true Jeep which is is a 3 pedal 2 door, but that's a discussion for a different day.

 

[autotragic]

OP Udate:
So after 600 miles in the new rig I'm starting to get the hang of this goofy clutch about 70% of the time off the line. For a reality check I took my JK out for a ride today and got to enjoy and appreciate a real man pedal. Hard to describe unless you've owned a JK, but I feel totally connected to the clutch, the transmission and most importantly the ground, because it's always consistant and predictable, even though it takes two men and a strong boy to depress the pedal.

While I enjoy many of the technological updates of the my new JL, and in general I feel the JL is a great platform, the clutch is a deal breaker. Especially since my dealer told me today that there is no solution in sight with regard to the recall. And with the ocassional odoriferous air of a burning clutch in the cab for no good reason when just driving down the road, makes it time for a change. I'll either get a dealer to buy it and take a big hit or install an after market clutch for $3k and forfeit the remaining drivetrain warranty. Either way it will be a hard lesson but it's my bad for not doing my research along with being dead set on a 3 pedal 2 door. Now one could agrue that there is only one true Jeep which is is a 3 pedal 2 door, but that's a discussion for a different day.

They have a solution for the clutch the problem is you don't really want it. The rolling out the recall fix by year the 2018s and the 2023s are eligible for fixes right now. 23s because they wanted to get a lot of them off the lots there's a lot of them were still affected by a stop sale and the 18s because they were the first year. The solution is mostly a software fix and you really don't want it. Put a good aftermarket clutch in if you must do it. Personally I drive mine like a bat out of hell and I haven't had a whiff of burning clutch so I'm going to let it ride.

 

[cvx16]

All I can say is wow. I've been shopping 2024 JLUs recently, using the fact that I want to teach my kids how to drive with 3 pedals as an excuse to get a new Jeep and have some family fun. I had a '97 TJ 6-speed forever and got rid of it a few years ago for several reasons. It was the easiest clutch I have ever driven. I naively thought current Jeeps would still be the same. I went and drove a manual 2024 JLU yesterday and was shocked at the soft, springy clutch. I took it out for a drive and killed it at least 3 times. I haven't stalled out a manual in ages. I was a bit embarrassed but also very confused as to what was going on. Now I start my searching and found this thread. Apparently my experience is not unique, unfortunately. The way this clutch seems to be I can't imagine trying to teach my kids to drive a manual with this. Not going to be a good experience.

Thanks to all for the info here and the shared experiences. I'll be cancelling my deposit and sadly looking for a better option to teach my kids and maybe consider the automatic to go have the offroad fun in.

 

[Fatfreewilly]

All I can say is wow. I've been shopping 2024 JLUs recently, using the fact that I want to teach my kids how to drive with 3 pedals as an excuse to get a new Jeep and have some family fun. I had a '97 TJ 6-speed forever and got rid of it a few years ago for several reasons. It was the easiest clutch I have ever driven. I naively thought current Jeeps would still be the same. I went and drove a manual 2024 JLU yesterday and was shocked at the soft, springy clutch. I took it out for a drive and killed it at least 3 times. I haven't stalled out a manual in ages. I was a bit embarrassed but also very confused as to what was going on. Now I start my searching and found this thread. Apparently my experience is not unique, unfortunately. The way this clutch seems to be I can't imagine trying to teach my kids to drive a manual with this. Not going to be a good experience.

Thanks to all for the info here and the shared experiences. I'll be cancelling my deposit and sadly looking for a better option to teach my kids and maybe consider the automatic to go have the offroad fun in.

It's a shame but I understand. 9k miles into miles into this clutch, and while I love the jeep, it's such a weird light clutch. My JK I could teach anyone on, I haven't bothered with the JL.

 

[Ratbert]

All I can say is wow. I've been shopping 2024 JLUs recently, using the fact that I want to teach my kids how to drive with 3 pedals as an excuse to get a new Jeep and have some family fun. I had a '97 TJ 6-speed forever and got rid of it a few years ago for several reasons. It was the easiest clutch I have ever driven. I naively thought current Jeeps would still be the same. I went and drove a manual 2024 JLU yesterday and was shocked at the soft, springy clutch. I took it out for a drive and killed it at least 3 times. I haven't stalled out a manual in ages. I was a bit embarrassed but also very confused as to what was going on. Now I start my searching and found this thread. Apparently my experience is not unique, unfortunately. The way this clutch seems to be I can't imagine trying to teach my kids to drive a manual with this. Not going to be a good experience.

Thanks to all for the info here and the shared experiences. I'll be cancelling my deposit and sadly looking for a better option to teach my kids and maybe consider the automatic to go have the offroad fun in.

Slightly off topic, but make sure to check out the spreadsheet in my sig before placing another order.

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