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Is it the 3.6 or 2.0??? From what I've read on the forums, the 2.0 has a very specific procedure for checking the engine oil level, which is detailed in the Owner's manual, which I believe entails not checking the oil level when the engine is cold.

Just a thought . . .
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Is it the 3.6 or 2.0??? From what I've read on the forums, the 2.0 has a very specific procedure for checking the engine oil level, which is detailed in the Owner's manual, which I believe entails not checking the oil level when the engine is cold.

Just a thought . . .
This thread is in the 3.6L Pentastar subforum, so...
 

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I did not expect to read these answers. I always read and heard that mixing oils of different viscosity and weight is a big no-no-no-no.

it’s not like he’s trying an oil change for 5 quarts of 5w-30. He’s asking to mix 0w-20 with 5w-30 which are completely different specs.

personally, I would not risk it and instead, drive a little further on 4 quarts until the next place that as 0w-20. I’m sure there’s one before the 1200 miles run out. Or do a full oil change and put 5 quarts of 5w-30
This...is one of the weirdest things i've ever heard. There is so little difference between 0W-20 and 5W-30 that the engine won't even know there's a change. You absolutely can mix the two...you can mix 0W-20 and 10W-40 with zero issue too. It would be FAR worse to drive low on oil than to top off with a slightly different weight.
 

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Is it the 3.6 or 2.0??? From what I've read on the forums, the 2.0 has a very specific procedure for checking the engine oil level, which is detailed in the Owner's manual, which I believe entails not checking the oil level when the engine is cold.
This thread is in the 3.6L Pentastar subforum, so...
Afaik, the recommended procedure for checking the oil is the same between 3.6L and 2.0T engines. Get it hot, shut it down, wait 5 minutes and then check the level.

Think it has something to do with the 2-stage oil pump in both. Usually cold and hot are the same for mine, but one time I freaked out when the stick was completely dry. Did the thing, and it was perfect 👌
 
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As typed, the quoted posts suggest that the 0W-20 in the engine now was added by the person/shop who performed the rebuild work. Is it possible that they underfilled the engine, and/or you didn't check the level before just now doing so during your current road trip?

I honestly don't intend to sound accusatory here. Just trying to fill in a few blank spaces. 👍
Yes, the shop that did the rebuild filled it at that time. I checked it about 500 miles post rebuild and it looked fine. I checked again about 2,000 miles post rebuild and it looked fine - but in hindsight now it was reading slightly low but not enough for me to even think about it. Now, at about 4,000 miles (and foolishly well into a road trip) I checked again an got concerned.
 

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Is it the 3.6 or 2.0??? From what I've read on the forums, the 2.0 has a very specific procedure for checking the engine oil level, which is detailed in the Owner's manual, which I believe entails not checking the oil level when the engine is cold.

Just a thought . . .
It is a 3.6. My usual procedure is to check it 5-15 minutes after driving.
 
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Think it has something to do with the 2-stage oil pump in both. Usually cold and hot are the same for mine, but one time I freaked out when the stick was completely dry. Did the thing, and it was perfect 👌
This hits home - I've been in that exact spot with the stick dry as a bone. And that's the day I learned about the 5 minute rule. lol
 
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This...is one of the weirdest things i've ever heard. There is so little difference between 0W-20 and 5W-30 that the engine won't even know there's a change. You absolutely can mix the two...you can mix 0W-20 and 10W-40 with zero issue too. It would be FAR worse to drive low on oil than to top off with a slightly different weight.
Personally, I did not know that driving a quart low is worse than mixing two oils. That anecdotal wisdom had so far eluded me. Hence my earlier comment referencing somewhat incorrect anecdotal wisdom I had picked up over the years (though that is largely based on high-performance engines and not on Jeep workhorse engines. Mixing two oils can be done in a pickle but necessitating an immediate full oil change once out of the pickle. At least that’s what BMW M and Porsche specify. Ok maybe not so anecdotal then. Also does 20% sound like a lot of mixing?!)

However, I appreciate your continued effort to educate me.
 

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Personally, I did not know that driving a quart low is worse than mixing two oils. That anecdotal wisdom had so far eluded me. Hence my earlier comment referencing somewhat incorrect anecdotal wisdom I had picked up over the years (though that is largely based on high-performance engines and not on Jeep workhorse engines. Mixing two oils can be done in a pickle but necessitating an immediate full oil change once out of the pickle. At least that’s what BMW M and Porsche specify. Ok maybe not so anecdotal then. Also does 20% sound like a lot of mixing?!)

However, I appreciate your continued effort to educate me.
Dude the oil debate is absolutely insane but has raged for decades. It's an utterly stupid subject for us to be so passionate about. The difference between 0w-20 and even 10w-50 is so minimal - any of those grades will allow either engine to perform as well as it was designed by FCA (which is to say - mediocre). With 0w-20 there will be a fraction of a percent improvement in flow, and with 5w-30 there will be a fraction of a percent improvement in how long protection lasts without pressure. That's it.

So my advice has always been - use what helps you sleep at night. If mixing oil weights bothers you, then don't do it. There are a lot of silly things I do for no reason other than it keeps me happy.
 

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Yes, the shop that did the rebuild filled it at that time. I checked it about 500 miles post rebuild and it looked fine. I checked again about 2,000 miles post rebuild and it looked fine - but in hindsight now it was reading slightly low but not enough for me to even think about it. Now, at about 4,000 miles (and foolishly well into a road trip) I checked again an got concerned.
Did you check the coolant level ? let just hope you do not have the reverse, oil in coolant....
 

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Dude the oil debate is absolutely insane but has raged for decades. It's an utterly stupid subject for us to be so passionate about. The difference between 0w-20 and even 10w-50 is so minimal - any of those grades will allow either engine to perform as well as it was designed by FCA (which is to say - mediocre). With 0w-20 there will be a fraction of a percent improvement in flow, and with 5w-30 there will be a fraction of a percent improvement in how long protection lasts without pressure. That's it.

So my advice has always been - use what helps you sleep at night. If mixing oil weights bothers you, then don't do it. There are a lot of silly things I do for no reason other than it keeps me happy.
I think we should be more worried about engine component design and metallurgy. But we can’t control that so we obsess over peripheral things we think we can control. I want to believe that my 3k mile oil and air filter changes are going to save the day…but probably not.
 

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When I noticed it was low I checked around the engine. Hard to see anything up top but I do see some oil down below where the two rubber grommets at the front of the transmission - hoping not a rear main seal. I'm 4k miles into a new rebuild of the upper portion of the engine due to coolant in cylinder 1. My goal here is to get it home and back to my preferred shop of analysis as I've never had an issue with low oil previously.
this is often a sign of your oil filter cooler housing leaking...when they did the rebuild hopefully they either replaced it or used the proper orings.....easy to check just take a flashlight and look down at the base of the oil filter housing and see if oil is pooling there...it is common.....
 

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I think we should be more worried about engine component design and metallurgy. But we can’t control that so we obsess over peripheral things we think we can control. I want to believe that my 3k mile oil and air filter changes are going to save the day…but probably not.
Yes that's our nature - we like to think that what we call "science" makes us Gods of our own world, but we are still limited by our little brains and our seemingly infinite universe is scary. So many things we can't control. So we put those out of our mind by focusing on minutiae that we can control but doesn't matter.
 

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Yes that's our nature - we like to think that what we call "science" makes us Gods of our own world, but we are still limited by our little brains and our seemingly infinite universe is scary. So many things we can't control. So we put those out of our mind by focusing on minutiae that we can control but doesn't matter.
Excuse me while I go make sure my fuses are seated
 

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I did not expect to read these answers. I always read and heard that mixing oils of different viscosity and weight is a big no-no-no-no.

it’s not like he’s trying an oil change for 5 quarts of 5w-30. He’s asking to mix 0w-20 with 5w-30 which are completely different specs.

personally, I would not risk it and instead, drive a little further on 4 quarts until the next place that as 0w-20. I’m sure there’s one before the 1200 miles run out. Or do a full oil change and put 5 quarts of 5w-30
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Relax the answers he was given are A-OK. There is absolutely no problem nor should there be any concern with some mix of weights of these oils.
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