Sun Shade What a Difference

[Eleven71Design]

Possibly, but wouldn't melanin levels be a significant contributor?

So Melanin, Southern States, we call people tanned, northern states, they do not have a tan. Is that melanin or a tan? could be same "Ethnicity" even the same family just one moved. Yet people who live in northern states have a higher rate of Skin related Cancers yet are exposed to less sun.

Melanin is due to the location or amount of sun exposure from your ancestral heritage? So, living in a sunnier location would cause your skin to be less susceptible to cancer from sun exposure?

Not saying lay naked in the sun all day long, but I am of the mindset that there are hundreds of other cancer causes that people should be more worried about.

Sugar is known as a food source for cancer yet a huge amount of the average diet has tons of sugar in it and no one warns about the hazards of sugar causing cancer.

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[6th Floor Mule]

Never gave melanoma much thought until it caught up with me at age 56. I still spend time in the sun, but sleeves, hats, and sunrider mode are my new normal. My midday shirtless, hatless, topless drives are a thing of the past. It happens.

 

[Ratbert]

So Melanin, Southern States, we call people tanned, northern states, they do not have a tan. Is that melanin or a tan? could be same "Ethnicity" even the same family just one moved. Yet people who live in northern states have a higher rate of Skin related Cancers yet are exposed to less sun.

Melanin is due to the location or amount of sun exposure from your ancestral heritage? So, living in a sunnier location would cause your skin to be less susceptible to cancer from sun exposure?

Not saying lay naked in the sun all day long, but I am of the mindset that there are hundreds of other cancer causes that people should be more worried about.

Sugar is known as a food source for cancer yet a huge amount of the average diet has tons of sugar in it and no one warns about the hazards of sugar causing cancer.

You mentioned better cancer rate statistics for geographic regions where darker skinned people typically live. You don't see darker skin as a potential contributor to those statistics?

 

[Eleven71Design]

You mentioned better cancer rate statistics for geographic regions where darker skinned people typically live. You don't see darker skin as a potential contributor to those statistics?

Sun causes peoples skin to darken which in turn leads to lower cancer rates. Melanin in the skin is caused by sun exposure. Again, not saying people should sit out all day but the sun is not the largest factor. It gets the brunt of the blame.

Even the Mayoclinic stated " The exact cause of all melanomas isn't clear. " UV light is often blamed but UV light is also known to heal other skin issues such as Psoriasis and numerous others.

The mayoclinic also states " Limiting exposure to UV light can help reduce the risk of melanoma. " Verbiage is important, Why do they state CAN? If UV light was the primary issue, why do they not state, "Will or Does reduce the risk of melanoma"? Reading studies often is confusing as certain words are used to limit liability if they make a false claim. Many people suffer from Melanoma even if they spend less time in the sun than others.

My mothers husband lives in cloudy Michigan. Very light complexion and does not sit outside tanning. He has suffered from Melanoma for over a dozen years yet is rarely out in the sun. Im betting there are a dozen other factors causing his melanoma.

 

[Ratbert]

Sun causes peoples skin to darken which in turn leads to lower cancer rates. Melanin in the skin is caused by sun exposure. Again, not saying people should sit out all day but the sun is not the largest factor. It gets the brunt of the blame.

Even the Mayoclinic stated " The exact cause of all melanomas isn't clear. " UV light is often blamed but UV light is also known to heal other skin issues such as Psoriasis and numerous others.

The mayoclinic also states " Limiting exposure to UV light can help reduce the risk of melanoma. " Verbiage is important, Why do they state CAN? If UV light was the primary issue, why do they not state, "Will or Does reduce the risk of melanoma"? Reading studies often is confusing as certain words are used to limit liability if they make a false claim. Many people suffer from Melanoma even if they spend less time in the sun than others.

My mothers husband lives in cloudy Michigan. Very light complexion and does not sit outside tanning. He has suffered from Melanoma for over a dozen years yet is rarely out in the sun. Im betting there are a dozen other factors causing his melanoma.

It just seems weird that you seem to be ignoring that white people have well over an order of magnitude increase in chance of getting melanoma.

 

[Eleven71Design]

It just seems weird that you seem to be ignoring that white people have well over an order of magnitude increase in chance of getting melanoma.

The white people who hide indoors in the northern states or the white people who also live in southern states and spend more time outdoors? The white construction workers?

Are you ignoring the fact that white people who live in southern states suffer from Melanoma less than those who live in the north and spend more time inside?

 

[Ratbert]

The white people who hide indoors in the northern states or the white people who also live in southern states and spend more time outdoors? The white construction workers?

Are you ignoring the fact that white people who live in southern states suffer from Melanoma less than those who live in the north and spend more time inside?

Are you ignoring the racial demographics of the southern states when looking at melanoma rates?

Do you have north / south statistics on those white construction workers, or are you speculating?

 

[Ratbert]

Spent yesterday wheeling in the San Juans around Ouray. It rained on and off all day. I'm thinking that we had the SOT open about 15 times.

The views are absolutely gorgeous, but I can't imagine someone with a soft top opening and closing it like that. They'd simply miss out on the Alp-esque views, right?

 

[Eleven71Design]

Are you ignoring the racial demographics of the southern states when looking at melanoma rates?

Do you have north / south statistics on those white construction workers, or are you speculating?

Try to read more than a FEW studies yourself and you will see that it is never clear and everyone has its own spin. .5% of black people, 1% of Hispanics and 3% of white. These numbers are across the US however, the northers states like Washington, Oregon, and Idaho along with a few others have the highest rates of skin cancer. They do not do a good job of separating by ethnicity. However, these states have a higher likelyhood of people spending more time indoors along with them having the lease amount of "Sunny days" and also being further away from the higher intensity of the suns rays. Why is that.

Florida, California, and Texas are the states with the most white people living there. Now these states are also some of the most populated and depending on the study, some do not separate Melanoma from other cancers so getting solid data is hard. Some studies show these states with higher rates per white and some show them with lower rates.

What racial demography am I ignoring?

 

[Ratbert]

Try to read more than a FEW studies yourself and you will see that it is never clear and everyone has its own spin. .5% of black people, 1% of Hispanics and 3% of white. These numbers are across the US however, the northers states like Washington, Oregon, and Idaho along with a few others have the highest rates of skin cancer. They do not do a good job of separating by ethnicity. However, these states have a higher likelyhood of people spending more time indoors along with them having the lease amount of "Sunny days" and also being further away from the higher intensity of the suns rays. Why is that.

Florida, California, and Texas are the states with the most white people living there. Now these states are also some of the most populated and depending on the study, some do not separate Melanoma from other cancers so getting solid data is hard. Some studies show these states with higher rates per white and some show them with lower rates.

What racial demography am I ignoring?

Ok, so you're admitting that white people get skin cancer at about 6x that of black people.

Hopefully you're aware that your population numbers are raw and not percentages, so they're completely irrelevant for this analysis. If you've lived in and traveled in various parts of the country like I have, then you'd know that basically the further north you go the fewer people of color you see.

You listed Florida, California, and Texas as having the most white people, but they're also the most diverse since the percentage of white people is so damn low there. That seems like an extremely likely reason that their cancer rates would be lower, right?

 

[Eleven71Design]

Ok, so you're admitting that white people get skin cancer at about 6x that of black people.

Hopefully you're aware that your population numbers are raw and not percentages, so they're completely irrelevant for this analysis. If you've lived in and traveled in various parts of the country like I have, then you'd know that basically the further north you go the fewer people of color you see.

You listed Florida, California, and Texas as having the most white people, but they're also the most diverse since the percentage of white people is so damn low there. That seems like an extremely likely reason that their cancer rates would be lower, right?

I literally posted the % of skin cancer by ethnicity. What is your point?

I can see you are getting upset. Not sure why as this is not a personal attack in any way.

The claim was made that the science on this was settled and I am claiming it is not as evident to the many studies out there on the topic.

Several studies also say, "reducing sun exposure may reduce the risk" Verbiage is important here. They do not say it will reduce the risk.

I also claimed that people who spend more time outdoors or have a lineage that was in sunnier places suffers from skin cancers less.

Please tell me how people obtain more melanin in their skin which in turn prevents or reduces the risk of skin cancer?

People who live in the north, are indoors more and in the sun less.

I have been to the vast majority of states in this country and lived in remote areas as well as some of the most populated counties. How about we say the more rural you are the less diversity there is. I assure you that many states in the northern half have a large population that has people of many backgrounds. New York, Detroit, Chicago, Milwaukee, Denver

Did you know the population of the United States is about 60% white, 12-15% black.... So where are studies going to be perfect? They never are and I have only stated that they have many flaws.

So back to my original claim, The science is not settled.

 

[au176]

It's about time for the moderators to move this to "SkinCancerForums.com"...

 

[Ratbert]

It's about time for the moderators to move this to "SkinCancerForums.com"...

Apparently there's a conspiracy to make us think that the sun causes skin cancer. Who woulda thought?

 

[Bbp]

Back on topic.
Last week we took the jeep to the beach. The drive is about 3 hours. It was really nice at highway speeds having the shade. It really cut down on wind. When we got to our hotel I took out the rear windows and the top was down all week. The shade really helped keep the seats cooler. When in safari it feels a lot hotter inside. I think the top traps the heat. The shade just provides shade.

 

[hoodie]

So, I guess a legitimate question for soft top folks who use these things - how does a sun shade maintain an open top feeling? Seems to me it'd be a lot safari mode, just closer to your head - blocks sun and wind the exact same as the OE top deck and so I'm curious why? I get hard top folks using it - want to be topless, but you don't wanna burn, and the hard top doesn't do safari mode.

We have the Spiderweb Shade 2 part setup where there is one for the front and the back. I had both installed on my 2020 and after having kids, I realized how valuable they were. Reduced wind and sun exposure so momma and kiddos were happy.

After getting my 2024, I decided to try no sun shade and go full open. I have a power hoist in the garage so the hard top comes off quite often, even in the Texas heat. After one run without the shade, it was apparent the kids (now 2 and 5) needed something to, at the very least, reduce the complaints coming from the back seat.

So I reinstalled the back shade and the kiddos have been happy. But the more I drive it with the front shade free, the more I realize that little bit of sunblock is better (at least for me) than the open top feel.

To each their own. That's the beauty of owning a Jeep that's customizable to suit your needs/wants.

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