Sold on 89 Octane

[2nd 392]

Right... like hundreds for a muffler that does nothing except be louder, or some kind of fancy lights or ...

Uhh, no, actually $2,545 for a muffler. Yep, it’s louder, but tucks up nicely getting rid of the big fugly can hanging down and adds 9 HP IIRC …. heck, that’s only about $283 per HP.
Besides- it’s MSRP is $2,945,, cut to $2,845, so I’m at least $3-400 ahead (I learned that from my wife)

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[AFD]

Uhh, no, actually $2,545 for a muffler. Yep, it’s louder, but tucks up nicely getting rid of the big fugly can hanging down and adds 9 HP IIRC …. heck, that’s only about $283 per HP.

Uh... on the V6 or the 392 engine? Really don't see the 3.6L making 9 HP unless it's removing the cat and maybe the loop-de-doop pipe and even then, I can see the ECU taking that back without a tune.

And honestly can't remember a $2,500 exhaust system for the v6, so.. 392?

 

[2nd 392]

Uh... on the V6 or the 392 engine? Really don't see the 3.6L making 9 HP unless it's removing the cat and maybe the loop-de-doop pipe and even then, I can see the ECU taking that back without a tune.

And honestly can't remember a $2,500 exhaust system for the v6, so.. 392?

AWE Switchpath for 392, the system tucks up very nicely. Quiet mode is a good half way between stock quiet and loud. Sometimes I wish it had a true “quiet”. ehh- but I’m about over it because it’s loud enough to sound good without being a cop magnet as “loud” mode is, and it is. I didn’t make it 2 blocks before one was following me the last time I pushed the loud button…. A Goldilocks exhaust level

 

[AFD]

AWE Switchpath for 392, the system tucks up very nicely. Quiet mode is a good half way between stock quiet and loud. Sometimes I wish it had a true “quiet”. ehh- but I’m about over it because it’s loud enough to sound good without being a cop magnet as “loud” mode is, and it is. I didn’t make it 2 blocks before one was following me the last time I pushed the loud button…. A Goldilocks exhaust level

Hooo buddy, that thing sounds sweet in "quiet" mode! And looks a heck of a lot better to boot. Nice choice!

 

[2nd 392]

Hooo buddy, that thing sounds sweet in "quiet" mode! And looks a heck of a lot better to boot. Nice choice!

And no low hanging fruit, including the tips that I set at the bottom of the bumper. Worth the $2545 to me.

I shoulda took a before

 

[AFD]

And no low hanging fruit, including the tips that I set at the bottom of the bumper. Worth the $2545 to me.

I shoulda took a before

The video I just watched gives a great before/after for both the sound and the increase in clearance..

 

[2nd 392]

The video I just watched gives a great before/after for both the sound and the increase in clearance..

Loud Button reserved for occasional use with Bronco sightings. Like the guy admiring his new one, when he flicked a speck off “Nice Bronco” Rhaabaa Rumble Rumble

 

[YBABRAT]

To make gas more complicated.... yes some states have better gas than others. Not all gas is the same.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a15339380/the-vapor-rub-summer-versus-winter-gasoline-explained/

 

[AFD]

To make gas more complicated.... yes some states have better gas than others. Not all gas is the same.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a15339380/the-vapor-rub-summer-versus-winter-gasoline-explained/

Yeah, I'm stuck in one of two small low-RVP summer blend regions in my state and while I definitely get better fuel economy during the summer, our gas prices are always one of the highest in the state. Really sucks cause the closest nearby medium-size city that likely caused this is a 1 to 2-hour drive away. And heck, it's far enough away that we're still exempt from emissions testing required for passing a yearly state inspection.

Our cheapest 87 octane has been around $3.80 all summer, with 93 going for a dollar more. Really not sure if it's any worse than areas with a 1 PSI higher RVP, but it's definitely more expensive.

 

[YBABRAT]

It's a mixed bag in my area for 87 up on to 93. The article made me think of when traveling interstate, leave with empty Jerry cans and fill near the area of your destination for off road.

I know midwest has differences in weather and altitude when let's say going to the rockies. Wrong gas if filled in Jerry cans from midwest before hitting your trail.

All I can say is mountains will make your car's engine work harder than you think. If you can muster better fuel economy in the operational environment with a higher octane, you are doing your engine a service. Where I live it's obvious if you try one tank of 97 or 93 and go back to 87.

At least the Pure station is using pure gas... there is a pure 20 miles out of town with no pure gas. They just use the name. Though the big 4 stations out here do carry pure gas in one form or another. I may do 50/50 pure gas 93 with 87 in summer and go with 10% 91 in winter. I am still in testing phase with gas options.

 

[roaniecowpony]

OMG maybe that's it!! This whole time it's been my screenname that's been scaring everyone!!

Winter is coming.

 

[TheRaven]

From what I could figure based on my normal commute, at most I'm spending an extra $200 each year for 89 versus sticking with the recommended 87 octane. In my last vehicle (that required 91 minimum and recommended higher), I always used 93 and it worked out to be an extra $400 per year (for 93 vs 87, not 93 vs 91).

This is a reasonable approach, and I think its one of the the factors that leads to many misunderstandings on this subject. The cost delta between 87, 89, and 91/93 varies GREATLY across the US. I have been told that many enjoy a mere $0.20-0.30 difference between 87 and 91...that's incredible. Here in the Northeast it's $0.70 MINIMUM...and that's if you take the time to compare and shop. It can be up to $1.10. So for my situation, taking the average, that's around $1k per year difference, which would be around $10k for 10 years, and my JLU80 stickered at $43k. I actually paid $38k. So that means the cost for me to run premium fuel is in the neighborhood of 25% the value of my vehicle. Would you feel the same in my situation?

I think for $2k over 10 years, I might just run premium too. Even if for no other reason than to brag about it on JLWrangerForums.com.

 

[AFD]

This is a reasonable approach, and I think its one of the the factors that leads to many misunderstandings on this subject. The cost delta between 87, 89, and 91/93 varies GREATLY across the US. I have been told that many enjoy a mere $0.20-0.30 difference between 87 and 91...that's incredible. Here in the Northeast it's $0.70 MINIMUM...and that's if you take the time to compare and shop. It can be up to $1.10. So for my situation, taking the average, that's around $1k per year difference, which would be around $10k for 10 years, and my JLU80 stickered at $43k. I actually paid $38k. So that means the cost for me to run premium fuel is in the neighborhood of 25% the value of my vehicle. Would you feel the same in my situation?

I think for $2k over 10 years, I might just run premium too. Even if for no other reason than to brag about it on JLWrangerForums.com.

It's not just the price differential, but how also how much gas you're using each year that's comes into effect. From 87 to 89 here it's about 50¢ higher and usually around $1 higher from 87 to 93, though the spread between midgrades tends to vary quite a bit between stations.

For my 160-mile weekly commute, that works out to around $7 extra per tank almost every other week (and nearly $15 extra in my last vehicle, versus 87 not the required 91). That works out to less than $200 a year or $2,000 over a decade, which isn't much compared to the price of the vehicle. I spend enough of my time driving back and forth to work, so yeah, to put in the miles required to spend $1k extra per year, I'd probably stick with the cheap shit and would likely be driving a much cheaper econo shitbox sedan that I really didn't care what I put in it or that I was putting a ton of miles on it.

With the common anti- 'JL as a commuter' sentiment around here, I'm honestly surprised there's many folks here that would put a lot of mileage on their off-road pleasurecrafts at all, outside of a few road trips each year and taking her out for brunch on a handful of sunny summer Sunday afternoons. Would think running premium wouldn't be much of a hurdle in those use-case scenarios, regardless of price difference between grades. Though several cross-country trips to far off trails could easily change that equation pretty quick.

It is weird that you're seeing such a difference in premium/midgrade pricing being in the same state and just a few hours east. I'm in the low-RVP for summer zone and you should be far outside of the other restrictive zone in the Philly region. Just checked and not sure the exact mid-grades, but Gasbuddy has us at $3.60 for 87, $4.00 mid and $4.40 premium over here, while yours are $3.30, $3.70 and $4.00, which seems about the same spread, just a hell of a lot cheaper than what we're paying. I'm guessing a much higher yearly mileage is accounting for that $1k figure you're getting.

 

[TheRaven]

It's not just the price differential, but how also how much gas you're using each year that's comes into effect. From 87 to 89 here it's about 50¢ higher and usually around $1 higher from 87 to 93, though the spread between midgrades tends to vary quite a bit between stations.

For my 160-mile weekly commute, that works out to around $7 extra per tank almost every other week (and nearly $15 extra in my last vehicle, versus 87 not the required 91). That works out to less than $200 a year or $2,000 over a decade, which isn't much compared to the price of the vehicle. I spend enough of my time driving back and forth to work, so yeah, to put in the miles required to spend $1k extra per year, I'd probably stick with the cheap shit and would likely be driving a much cheaper econo shitbox sedan that I really didn't care what I put in it or that I was putting a ton of miles on it.

With the common anti- 'JL as a commuter' sentiment around here, I'm honestly surprised there's many folks here that would put a lot of mileage on their off-road pleasurecrafts at all, outside of a few road trips each year and taking her out for brunch on a handful of sunny summer Sunday afternoons. Would think running premium wouldn't be much of a hurdle in those use-case scenarios, regardless of price difference between grades. Though several cross-country trips to far off trails could easily change that equation pretty quick.

It is weird that you're seeing such a difference in premium/midgrade pricing being in the same state and just a few hours east. I'm in the low-RVP for summer zone and you should be far outside of the other restrictive zone in the Philly region. Just checked and not sure the exact mid-grades, but Gasbuddy has us at $3.60 for 87, $4.00 mid and $4.40 premium over here, while yours are $3.30, $3.70 and $4.00, which seems about the same spread, just a hell of a lot cheaper than what we're paying. I'm guessing a much higher yearly mileage is accounting for that $1k figure you're getting.

Yes our yearly mileage is like 18500ish. Also I just did the math quick in my head so I could be a tiny bit high, but not high enough to change my mind.

As for "cheap econobox" - we only paid $38k for our JLU80. It would have been difficult (then, probably impossible now) to find something with mid-size cargo space and 4 or all wheel drive for much less (new, obviously).

 

[AFD]

Yes our yearly mileage is like 18500ish. Also I just did the math quick in my head so I could be a tiny bit high, but not high enough to change my mind.

As for "cheap econobox" - we only paid $38k for our JLU80. It would have been difficult (then, probably impossible now) to find something with mid-size cargo space and 4 or all wheel drive for much less (new, obviously).

Ouch, yeah that's pretty high mileage compared to mine. I'd probably be driving a $25k Accord with nothing but 87 octane if I had to spend that much time on the road. Already thought my 6 hour rural commute every week was bad enough, but with the current JL prices, I'd be constantly pissed solely based on how quickly it was devalued racking up that many miles every year.

And not at all knocking your particular choice or situation, which is different for many of us. Just my own pov, and really not too dissimilar to yours about premium gas, just taken from different angles of approach I guess.

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