Second thoughts?

[RubiRob]

Nope, I love it.

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[NCSUSTATS]

Heh Heh, the quality of the FORUM is not important--

There are dozens of CJ/YJ/TJ/JK FORUMS--active RIGHT NOW-

It's a DIFFERENT ATTITUDE, just like Corvette/Camaro owners

Whatever

JIMBO

Get off the internet old-timer and get J-wrenching!!

J-kidding

In all seriousness though, as every manufacturer makes their vehicle more complicated, and expensive, it puts all potential consumers in a position to demand equally higher quality. Otherwise those consumers have to start adding tool/time cost to the price of that vehicle... i don’t mind needing to wrench on a $10k Trans-Camaro, but any wrenching on a $50k jeep is going to be out of choice, not necessity. Else I’ll be looking for one of those old timey Js! (and some new tools)

 

[JIMBOX]

The only real difference is----you have to discard your HARBOR FREIGHT tools and get some good Metric hand tools and you are gonna need them--believe me--

Good luck

Whatever

JIMBO

 

[albatross]

..So after owning your shiny new rig for a couple of days, weeks, months...anyone with second thoughts on the purchase price? ...

This probably sounds weird but i thought about what my second thoughts would be before purchasing and used them to make my decision to purchase my JLUR.

I owned four different JKs and they were all Sports. Even in stock form they were pretty capable and did everything I asked of them. So, when looking at JLs, i was first looking at the Sport S'. But since this is basically an early retirement gift to myself, i decided to get a Rubicon this time. The assumption being that i would have wished I had bought a Rubicon a year down the road.

So right now, zero regrets. Would I have regrets if I had purchased a Sport instead.....who knows?

 

[WXman]

I was driving a truck with almost 130,000 miles on it and over 4 years of payments left to make on it. I was able to trade it in and lease a new JL for a little increase in payment and shorter term. Was it a good decision financially? Maybe, maybe not. Depends on how you look at it I guess. I do enjoy being under full warranty again and not having fear of engine or transmission failures that would cost me big money out of pocket. And the JL puts a smile on my face which is hard to put a price on.

I love Wranglers and I wanted a 2018 because this is probably the last Wrangler we'll ever be able to buy new without BSG, direct injection, and all the other expensive and complicated systems that they're about to force upon us next year. Plus, at the rate they are jacking up prices (even within the same model year!) I'll probably never be able to buy/lease another new one again after this. Heck, this one was a stretch. But I do love it.

 

[MacBigButt]

What I’m seeing is that a contingent of members take any perceived criticism of the vehicle or its quality as a personal affront. The “It’s a Jeep, expect a lot of things to be of subpar quality because it has unique off-road pedigree and capabilities!” crowd. What you see as “bitching about their purchase” could be seen as people reasonably expecting to get what they paid for. A matter of viewpoint I suppose. But I think that you might be right about overblown expectations though. Depending on what vehicles a buyer is used to, they may need to vastly alter (that is, lower) their expectations regarding initial build quality, communication, and level of service from both FCA and their dealer network.

It should go without saying that more Jeeps are problem free than ones that have issues. It should also go without saying that anything less than bespoke built to order vehicles will have some units that get to end consumers with problems. Some of them serious. I don’t however think that a buyer who has concerns or complaints about those problems in their $55K investment is being a crybaby or disloyal to the Cult of Jeep. Why do people who don’t have any problems with their Jeep feel the need to bash those who do have problems and who speak up about it? This is what I don’t understand. Can you help me understand it?

Pretty sure I didn't use the words "cry baby", "disloyal to the Cult of Jeep" or claim I haven't had problems with my Jeep; so I'm going to assume you are speaking in generalities in response to the stereotypes I described.

I agree, the "It's a Jeep" comments from the Wrangler apologetics can be just as much of a pain to experience.

$50k is a lot of money, although it isn't a particularly expensive vehicle these days, but it doesn't matter if you pay $25k or $200k you deserve the same assurance of quality and warranty as everyone buying any new vehicle. Feature wise, you get what you get and some stuff that we can't get has solid engineering reasoning behind it.

There are certainly some legitimate and scary failures reported on this forum but nothing systemic. The truth is there is no evidence on this forum, or on the internet in general, of systemic quality problems with the new Wrangler and there is already more than 50,000 of these on the street. What there is evidence of on this forum is plenty of conflation of unrelated conjecture into tin-foil hat level conspiracy theories.

Story might be different this time next year but right now there is no reason to expect otherwise.

The OP started a thread titled "Second Thoughts", folks starting responding that they had no regrets, then your response invalidated those statements by claiming that no one would admit to making a mistake and implying it was only human nature. My comments were that the evidence on this forum doesn't support that claim.

You response also seem to have taken my comment about peoples expectations intentionally out of context in order to provide a launch point to further the party line about the poor quality of FCA business and Wranglers in particular.

In short, to help you understand, those that go about enjoying their purchase without regret should not have to suffer the abuse and bullying tactics of those that seem to take any opportunity to rain fear, uncertainty and doubt. While those that have had a failure should get useful support if there is any to be had.

FUD is just tiresome and distracting.

 

[Chocolate Thunder]

I believe we’re on the same page regarding the apologists. I’m not saying that you are that guy personally but it seems that you see it too. It’s widespread.

I don’t think that all of the legitimate and scary failures are necessarily systemic. It’s too early to tell that yet. But they are IMO still genuine cause for concern to a reasonable minded person considering buying a Jeep and a huge deal to the poor guys who are having to deal with them. I don’t think that various forum members experiencing a variety of serious quality and safety problems surrounding build integrity of their new vehicle conflates to anything more than just exactly what it is - people sharing their poor experience with the view of making others aware and looking for help/validation. My issue is why do they have to eat a second crap sandwich from some defensive brand loyalists here on the forum after their Jeep has already given them problems?

I agreed with you about expectations. I don’t think anyone should expect white glove service or luxury car quality standards from FCA. That’s not who they are and what they provide. However a basic level of quality and responsibeness to serious problems is a reasonable expectation from almost any purchase such as a new vehicle.

To those that love their Jeep and have had no problems or regrets on the money they spent: I’m happy to see so many people that are pleased. I truly hope to be one of them. My statement that people tend not to want to admit buyers remorse isn’t meant to discredit anyone who is actually pleased. It is a generality that I’ve come to realize from years of experiences shared on a number of automotive forums. And of consumerism in general. If it doesn’t describe your experience, then it doesn’t.

If I didn’t expect that I’ll be happy with my Wrangler I would be elsewhere looking to spend my money on something else. I don’t find the stories of that those that do feel they spent too much for what they got tiresome or distracting like you do. We have to agree to disagree on that.

Anyway, thanks for your viewpoint. And civility.

 

[RedTRex]

I'm sorta in the same boat. I have a 2013 JKUR right now so the "Jeep itch" is being scratched as we speak. I'm stalking the JLs because I really like the improvements they've made, but I'm still wrestling with the idea if it's actually worth the huge upcharge or not. (I paid $37K for mine, the JL I'd spec out would be close to $50K). Between the depreciation of my JK and the upcharge for the JL, I'm essentially paying about $20K or so a nicer hood, easier to fold windshield (that I probably only do once), a backup camera, bigger tires, nicer interior, easier to fold top, and easier to remove doors.

My JK will be paid off soon and I want to see another year of 1st year bugs worked out and more aftermarket support and hopefully some additional color options. If I still have JL fever by then I'll probably pull the trigger. Otherwise for the additional $20K I can have a mint condition JKUR and another used car or a small boat, camper, bigger vacation budget, etc.

~~ Ditto! Everyday I debate buying a new Jeep (thought of a diesel is so tempting) vs keeping the JK and using the savings to buy a ______ (Jet-Ski, new motorcycle, used Vette, Cayman, etc).

 

[brow]

So after owning your shiny new rig for a couple of days, weeks, months...anyone with second thoughts on the purchase price?

I was very worried about second thoughts in general!! I like driving cars and wanted something sporty. But a month in a 4000kms I must say I am really enjoying the new Jeep! The big test was this past weekend, long 1600km road trip. The JL exceeding my expectations for MPG, range, comfort, etc. We have also had the top off and this makes it all worth it!

So no regrets or second thoughts. The price was accepted as I was looking at other vehicles in the same price range. And it was cheaper than other SUV's or pick ups I was also considering, or would compare it to (even though its not the right comparo).

 

[TxJeeper]

Quick Answer: Hellllll no. I love my new JLU Rubi. Long Answer: Hellllllllllllllllllllllllll Nooooooooo!!!! I realllyyyyyy love my new JLU Rubicon!!!. I for one don't think they are expensive considering what you are getting. Look at what decked out Big 3 full tons are going for and ALL 3 brands have had crap diesel engines for the last decade. Talk about expensive to work on!. Besides...Jeeps are like horses..hard to put a dollar value on something you love.

 

[cabnfvr]

After 3 days in Moab, not a single regret .....
This = priceless

Come on now, you know you'll need 40s to get over that rock.

4 weeks, zero regrets. Sport with Rubi suspension and visions of winches and such.

 

[ekimgnuj]

To be honest I think FCA is getting a bit carried away with the pricing, but they are selling every single one they build.

MSRP on mine after the price increase in March was $54K. I paid $49K though.

I just priced a Sport S spec’d out like my 2013 JKU and it was $4K more. I guess that would be in line with inflation and cost increase for new tech.

I'm not sure they are selling every single one they build, mine was built a month and a half ago and they haven't sold it yet! :cwl:

 

[ekimgnuj]

Am I allowed to express buyers remorse before I even receive my Jeep? I'm sure I will be happy with it if it ever arrives, despite all of the quirks that will likely come with a first year model. But I sure am remorseful right now at having ordered one.

 

[kdog]

No second thoughts or buyers remorse. I love driving the JLUR around. It is a HUGE improvement over the JK and IMO very comfortable as a worry free daily driver. My previous daily driver for 5 years was a 2013 BMW M5. The electronics and interface on the JL is better than most i have seen. I know the price is a polarizing topic, but to me i think its a great value. People that think it is expensive are comparing it to previous gen jeeps (diff animal IMO bc this one actually is a comfortable daily driver in addition to a tremendous off road toy), People that think it is a great value are comparing it to alternative vehicle choices (LR, Landcruiser, etc).

One last comment on price vs value. Price is what it costs, value is what its worth! Resale values will be strong on this jeep as with previous gens, and true cost of ownership in that context is very inexpensive.

 

[Homer]

To be honest I think FCA is getting a bit carried away with the pricing, but they are selling every single one they build.

MSRP on mine after the price increase in March was $54K. I paid $49K though.

I just priced a Sport S spec’d out like my 2013 JKU and it was $4K more. I guess that would be in line with inflation and cost increase for new tech.

I purchased a 2018 Rubicon out the door at $43,980.00 but only with auto, hitch package , LED lights and hard top.
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