I could say the same thing about the first Wrangler I bought over 20 years ago. As delivered, it had a defective fuel tank with deformed baffles, so you never knew how much fuel you had. You couldn't roll the windows on either side up or down unless you ate a can of spinach first. Otherwise, it was capable and sound, albeit not very fuel efficient (4.0 L manual), and I got rid of it after a year.
Why the discredit attempt? I am trolling nothing. I had the JL and it was garbage. I've said there are plenty of happy JL owners out there and I am sure there is. I was not one of them so sharing my experience with someone who asked the question is now considered trolling?I couldn't troll the forums like you, though, because PCs and the internet as we know them today didn't exist.
You mentioned in another one of your post you work on the engine line. You said FCA was having problems with the 2.0 e-Torque system and batteries that were the cause of 2.0 delays. The e-Torque battery problems were causing slow-downs with production. Have the 2.0 issues been resolved?
Because you're an anecdote of one and you've mostly posted to piss and moan. And your "only real question" is an irrelevant strawman.
Except you are the one calling someone a troll for posting their ownership opinion, which I assume is what the OP asked for. I've not put anyone down, called them names or attempted to discredit their opinion now have I? You have, so bravo.. :rolleyes:
Exactly. All new cars CAN have issues. These are made on an assembly line, so the quality isn't going to be there like a hand made vehicle. Of course they won't have the hand made price either. Any new car, any brand, etc can have issues. The key to a new car vs a used one is the warranty that backs those issues.
This is very true. Likewise, people will often seek out help on a forum when they're looking to solve a problem. If they're out there happily driving, they're much less likely to seek out a forum. Not to say that happy owners won't find a forum (I did) but it's less common. For example, how many members disappear to never post again after their question about a problem has been answered? Based on the many forums I've been on (cars, trucks, etc) I can tell you they're plentiful.
I'm kinda the same way. If I'm not having an issue, or I don't know how to help a person solve the problem, I'm usually going to stay out of it. What good comes from reading about things that could go bad? That's like watching the news every day and getting all worked up about the 5 murders in a city 2 hours away. Why would I stress myself about it? I'm not affected, and I can't help them, so why waist my time with it.
Valid opinion, I have an opposite opinion though. I specifically sought out the JL over the JK. I like the look, and the new features (such as enter-n-go key). My opinion is no more valid than yours though. Each person should consider what they want and decide what's best for them. I certainly don't fault you, or anyone else, who thinks the JK is a better choice. For some people it is.
Yes. If it's a safety issue and it's not fixed you can have it declared a lemon and get all of your money back. This is a federal law, it must be fixed.
Good advice. A reputable dealer will recommend you do or ever require it before you take delivery. As for an extended test drive (over night). Some will do it, some won't. Being that you ordered yours, I would imagine they'd let you take it home for a night before finishing the transfer.
Welcome to the JL family.
"sorry" doesn't cut it if the $50K was more than one could afford .
It would be wise knowledge since I build them and see all the issues we are having.
The 2.0 issues have been fixed. We started to build them again a few weeks ago. And to answer your other question, I wouldn't say management is sacrificing quality over numbers. Normally we wouldn't send unfinished Jeeps to the dealer but with all the supplier issues we are having, we have no choice. The dealer is made aware if a unfinished Jeep is sent to them. They are not supposed to be sold until we send them the part to install and finish the Jeep.
So your opinion about waiting or buying a JK is mostly due to supplier QC and supply issues needing to be sorted out as a normal part of the production process?
Thanks.. My experience with the JL may not be normal but the discredit attempts, put downs and calling people trolls who say they've had issues is uncalled for.. The OP didn't ask for glowing reports only and was seeking input from actual owners I assume. That includes the good, the bad and the ugly. My JL experience would fall into the ugly category...
