Rock Krawler vs. Clayton

[Clayton Off Road]

I have a 2020, but input model year 2018 or 2019. This usually opens more options if the site wasn't updated.

Overland+ kit should be there! Scroll down about halfway on the homepage and try clicking on "shop JL" that way all of our JL products should display for you regardless of the year.

Let me know if you need anything else

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[sam0329]

Please have NorthRidge contact us as we are currently unaware of any JL kits on back order that are going to Canada. It's possible it has either already shipped, or for some reason we have not received their purchase order yet. Feel free to follow up with us if you need to, phone number is (203) 691 8593

Thanks, Chat with NorthRidge4x4.ca they said they have not submit the order yet
well, been two weeks already....

 

[mnjeeper]

Bringing this thread back to thank people for the info. I believe it is MC or Clayton 2.5 for me. All 8 adjustable arms seems better and what I was used to. The three (adding RK) are so close in price that I dropped RK for that one reason.

 

[OversandJL]

Bringing this thread back to thank people for the info. I believe it is MC or Clayton 2.5 for me. All 8 adjustable arms seems better and what I was used to. The three (adding RK) are so close in price that I dropped RK for that one reason.

Happy to chat with you on my experience with the Clayton 2.5 Overland Plus. I have about 30k miles so far on the kit. Great overall choice!

 

[sam0329]

I still waiting for my Clayton kit to come in, but I can tell you already their customer service is super awesome!

 

[Fredtp]

Please have NorthRidge contact us as we are currently unaware of any JL kits on back order that are going to Canada. It's possible it has either already shipped, or for some reason we have not received their purchase order yet. Feel free to follow up with us if you need to, phone number is (203) 691 8593

I have a 2021 unlimited Rubicon and want to go with 35’s and after market rims. I plan on doing some off-road but mainly highway and daily driver, would the Ride Right 2.5 kit be good for me with Fox shocks or should I go Overland?

 

[OversandJL]

I have a 2021 unlimited Rubicon and want to go with 35’s and after market rims. I plan on doing some off-road but mainly highway and daily driver, would the Ride Right 2.5 kit be good for me with Fox shocks or should I go Overland?

I ran that exact kit with the Fox Shocks for about 12 months before adding the other 6 control arms. It rode great before and after and did great in the woods too!

 

[Fredtp]

I ran that exact kit with the Fox Shocks for about 12 months before adding the other 6 control arms. It rode great before and after and did great in thr woods too!

Thank you for the info.

 

[SleepEatJeepRepeat]

@Clayton Off Road how much wheel base is lost by using the uppers, if the cost difference to use lowers is only 80 bucks and accomplish bother caster and a longer wheel base, It seems like not might be worth it and you set your site up grate for switching out components.. and I tend to like a further stretched stance.

 

[Clayton Off Road]

@Clayton Off Road how much wheel base is lost by using the uppers, if the cost difference to use lowers is only 80 bucks and accomplish bother caster and a longer wheel base, It seems like not might be worth it and you set your site up grate for switching out components.. and I tend to like a further stretched stance.

It's about 5/16 of an inch to answer your question directly, however there is a reason we do it this way in our Ride Right kit. While our Overland Plus and Premium Series suspension systems are complete suspension systems including all 8 brand new adjustable control arms, our Ride Right Kit includes front upper control arms only just like you pointed out. This kit is really intended for somebody mainly looking to keep their vehicle on-road and fit a larger set of wheels and tires while maintaining their factory-style ride quality. Front upper control arms are the best possible solution for properly addressing your caster angle, which directly translates to your vehicle's steering and handling, rather than having to toy between adjusting both your wheelbase and caster by utilizing the front lowers. If you are somebody looking to do more off-roading, then yes the front lowers may benefit you slightly more as this is where adjusting your wheelbase will become more important, and is why we always recommend one of our complete systems for any sort of off-road use. But for somebody just looking to lift their vehicle primarily for on-road use, front uppers will provide you with the most benefit. Hope this helps!

 

[SleepEatJeepRepeat]

What are the difference between the @Clayton Off Road springs and the @Rock Krawler Suspension springs? Looks like clayton uses a single rate in the front and dual rate in the back. And RockKrlawler uses a triple rate spring for all 4 positions. What is the advantage and disadvantage to each methodology?

As a layman, it would seem to me that a triple rate would be stiffer, and provide more extension. Where the single rate front would be smoother but extend less. My assumption is that the clayton springs will drive better on road, and the RK's will provide more offroad performance. Do I understand that correctly?

 

[SleepEatJeepRepeat]

just watched this and it was super educational

 

[SleepEatJeepRepeat]

Mad respect for @Clayton Off Road for being a real live presence on the forums.

Have to agree I think between here and Instagram they have probably answered about 25 questions. @Clayton Off Road have to give you massive credit

 

[Rock Krawler Suspension]

What are the difference between the @Clayton Off Road springs and the @Rock Krawler Suspension springs? Looks like clayton uses a single rate in the front and dual rate in the back. And RockKrlawler uses a triple rate spring for all 4 positions. What is the advantage and disadvantage to each methodology?

As a layman, it would seem to me that a triple rate would be stiffer, and provide more extension. Where the single rate front would be smoother but extend less. My assumption is that the clayton springs will drive better on road, and the RK's will provide more offroad performance. Do I understand that correctly?

No sir, with a Triple rate, you have a an incredibly long spring that has a soft, comfortable ride zone and a heavy bottom out rate for the occasion that you hit something super hard and it helps to catch the vehicle before the bumpstops hit and knock your fillings out.


In that Teraflex video, they highlight some valid points but emphasize points that aren't a real thing. The first being the compressed length of a multi rate spring limiting your up travel. Sure, the compressed length of a multi rate is typically longer than a linear but if you watch, they're demonstrating this with stock tires on the jeep. While this wont catch most people's eye, they did this because its the only way they can demonstrate that "issue" If we're being honest, are any of us running stock tires on lifted rigs? Rarely. The reality is that the Tire would be in the hood if they had 35's, 37's etc and bump stop extensions are required for tire to fender clearance long before they're required for preventing coil bind. It seems they intentionally omitted showing the same flex on linear coils. They also mentioned that flex is not limited by a spring, and they mentioned that you'll likely experience binding of the control arms, track bars, sway bar, etc. Sure, if you're using rubber bushings in your control arms and track bars, like the factory bushings, this is true. If you're using spherical joints, which we advocate, the springs can absolutely become the limiting factor in down travel as failure to retain springs will be a huge issue on the trail and the solution is shorter shocks or limiting straps, both of which limit travel but keep springs retained. And my last piece on that video for today is that they said OEM's use linear rate springs and they said it in a way that insinuates that that's all they use. Did you know a factory JT rear coil is a triple rate? 2014+ Ram 2500's have triple rate rears as well. Sure, the JL is currently using linear front and rear springs but that does not mean that, in a lifted application, linears are the correct choice. We left linear springs behind in 2011.

 

[SleepEatJeepRepeat]

No sir, with a Triple rate, you have a an incredibly long spring that has a soft, comfortable ride zone and a heavy bottom out rate for the occasion that you hit something super hard and it helps to catch the vehicle before the bumpstops hit and knock your fillings out.


In that Teraflex video, they highlight some valid points but emphasize points that aren't a real thing. The first being the compressed length of a multi rate spring limiting your up travel. Sure, the compressed length of a multi rate is typically longer than a linear but if you watch, they're demonstrating this with stock tires on the jeep. While this wont catch most people's eye, they did this because its the only way they can demonstrate that "issue" If we're being honest, are any of us running stock tires on lifted rigs? Rarely. The reality is that the Tire would be in the hood if they had 35's, 37's etc and bump stop extensions are required for tire to fender clearance long before they're required for preventing coil bind. It seems they intentionally omitted showing the same flex on linear coils. They also mentioned that flex is not limited by a spring, and they mentioned that you'll likely experience binding of the control arms, track bars, sway bar, etc. Sure, if you're using rubber bushings in your control arms and track bars, like the factory bushings, this is true. If you're using spherical joints, which we advocate, the springs can absolutely become the limiting factor in down travel as failure to retain springs will be a huge issue on the trail and the solution is shorter shocks or limiting straps, both of which limit travel but keep springs retained. And my last piece on that video for today is that they said OEM's use linear rate springs and they said it in a way that insinuates that that's all they use. Did you know a factory JT rear coil is a triple rate? 2014+ Ram 2500's have triple rate rears as well. Sure, the JL is currently using linear front and rear springs but that does not mean that, in a lifted application, linears are the correct choice. We left linear springs behind in 2011.

Thank you for taking the time to write up such a thoughtful and informative response. One thing clear is both the companies provide great service and are part of the community.

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