Pulling to the right

[Upnarms]

Steering stabilizers DO cause pull to right! I fought this for nearly 2 years. Went to a falcon through shaft stabilizer and BAM, pull gone. Get a through shaft stabilizer... but first, like somebody suggested, take off your current one and drive it without one to see if it is gone.

Fir some reason our Rubicons are super sensitive to the stabilizer. I think when the old ones are bad you don't get the pull but then a new one causes it again.

Whatever you do, don't let them put in the caster correction brackets that they drill into your jeep to install. That is just fudging the alignment to hide the issue of the pull.

Through shaft stabilizer! Thank me later...i hope

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[Bulletbill]

Steering stabilizers DO cause pull to right! I fought this for nearly 2 years. Went to a falcon through shaft stabilizer and BAM, pull gone. Get a through shaft stabilizer... but first, like somebody suggested, take off your current one and drive it without one to see if it is gone.

Fir some reason our Rubicons are super sensitive to the stabilizer. I think when the old ones are bad you don't get the pull but then a new one causes it again.

Whatever you do, don't let them put in the caster correction brackets that they drill into your jeep to install. That is just fudging the alignment to hide the issue of the pull.

Through shaft stabilizer! Thank me later...i hope

Thanks for the insight, felt like I was going crazy. I plan on pulling the stabilizer off this weekend.

 

[mwilk012]

Thanks for the insight, felt like I was going crazy. I plan on pulling the stabilizer off this weekend.

Yep. Again, this is an issue that lots of people don’t really understand solid axle vehicles.

 

[Upnarms]

Can you elaborate on the pressurized steering stabilizer?

Through shaft have equal force left or right. Standard ones may say neutral pressure but they still pressurize from one side. So even though it may be very little, it's enough to cause the right pull with the JLs steering. Not 100 percent why it's more noticeable on the Rubicon but maybe the height, all Terrain tires, the Rubicon components up front....i don't know, it just is!

 

[Upnarms]

Thanks for the insight, felt like I was going crazy. I plan on pulling the stabilizer off this weekend.

I tossed the factory track bar too. Got a steer smarts yeti xd pro sooo much better feel and no dw or shimmy when your tires get a little out of balance. Of course that eventually led to the apex 2.5ton drag link and tie rod... about 2 grand later, steering is real nice! Ha ha.

Seriously though, after the stabilizer, consider a better track bar.

 

[58Willys]

I don’t have access to my factory service manual right now, but I think when installing a new stabilizer it needs to be calibrated. If I remember correctly you have to turn the wheel lock to lock three times, the center it. This get the stabilizer to find neutral so to speak. Give it a try.

 

[Upnarms]

I don’t have access to my factory service manual right now, but I think when installing a new stabilizer it needs to be calibrated. If I remember correctly you have to turn the wheel lock to lock three times, the center it. This get the stabilizer to find neutral so to speak. Give it a try.

I've never heard of anything like that before. Not that it is not the case I have just never heard that ever. If you get a through shaft stabilizer just look at the installation manual for that. They are pretty much bolt on and would tell you if you had to do anything like that.

Edit...

You do need to crank the wheel all the way both sides to check for clearance issues when mounting it.

 

[kah.mun.rah]

Thanks for the insight, felt like I was going crazy. I plan on pulling the stabilizer off this weekend.

Driving without it will hopefully tell you if it is a contributing factor or not. While you have it off, also manually see if the piston feels like equal pressure when compressing and extending (time = 3:28 to 4:00).

 

[Bulletbill]

Yep. Again, this is an issue that lots of people don’t really understand solid axle vehicles.

I understand solid axel vehicles, alignment geometry is another thing. I appreciate your earlier insight, however I am starting to get the feeling that at this point you are deliberately trying to egg me on which I do not appreciate.

I went to a highly recommended service shop, they are the ones who said adjustable control arms would fix my issue. I put it out to the group to get more insight. I have owned various solid axel vehicles since the 90’s. I have replaced engines, brakes, bumpers, and wiring. I haven’t played with suspension parts because it wasn’t my thing, or more specifically necessary, Hence why I asked the forum for advice.

So unless you have any other insight, other than saying “some people don’t understand solid axel vehicles” we can leave it at that.

 

[Bulletbill]

I don’t have access to my factory service manual right now, but I think when installing a new stabilizer it needs to be calibrated. If I remember correctly you have to turn the wheel lock to lock three times, the center it. This get the stabilizer to find neutral so to speak. Give it a try.

Thanks, I hadn’t heard that before and will give it a try this weekend.

 

[mwilk012]

I understand solid axel vehicles, alignment geometry is another thing. I appreciate your earlier insight, however I am starting to get the feeling that at this point you are deliberately trying to egg me on which I do not appreciate.

I went to a highly recommended service shop, they are the ones who said adjustable control arms would fix my issue. I put it out to the group to get more insight. I have owned various solid axel vehicles since the 90’s. I have replaced engines, brakes, bumpers, and wiring. I haven’t played with suspension parts because it wasn’t my thing, or more specifically necessary, Hence why I asked the forum for advice.

So unless you have any other insight, other than saying “some people don’t understand solid axel vehicles” we can leave it at that.

The dealership that is working on your Jeep doesn’t understand. I am saying nothing of your knowledge or skill level.

 

[Upnarms]

The dealership that is working on your Jeep doesn’t understand. I am saying nothing of your knowledge or skill level.

Gotta agree with this.. I've been to a dealership where the tech knew his stuff. And I've been to one that just followed the book, on what to do when.... the latter wanted to drill holes in my frame for caster correction brackets when my alignment was showing fine. They were going to throw things out of alignment intentionally to counter the right pull. Bad idea! That not only wouldn't have fixed the cause but would've created worse problems with tire wear, etc.

That's basically what they will be doing to your rig with the adjustable arms. Unless i missed something, your jeep is stock? The geometry should be just fine. It's not about angles, etc. If you lifted it, then maybe, but not stock. So look at the components that can cause pull- as you already know and will be doing, start with the stabilizer. Easiest thing to rule out and one of the cheaper things to fix. I assume they already loosened all the control arms with tires on the ground then retorqued to spec. Sometimes if the control arms are torqued with no weight on them it can put preload on the bushings when it's lowered. Then look at the track bar. One of the first things the dealer did was to replace the trackbar, but with another factory trackbar. They thought maybe it was an issue with the original but it wasnt. Later when i replaced it with the steer smarts trackbar, steering improved a ton. Anyway, start small.

My local jeep shop was the place that told me about the stabilizers causing pull. They put on a take off fox one and when the pull was worse they said, yeah the stabilizers can cause a right pull and these fox ones (standard not ts) are more noticeable. I dropped the money on the teraflex falcon ef 2.1 thru shaft and the first time i drove it, i was ecstatic to find my vehicle stayed straight. All that time wasted when it was something so simple.

Good luck, sorry I'm a broken record. Just went through this exact thing for so long i wanted to possibly save you some hassle.

 

[58Willys]

Here the recall and service instructions; Step #12 states turn lock to lock five times to purge air.

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2019/MC-10169208-9999.pdf

 

[Idlethunder]

I don’t have access to my factory service manual right now, but I think when installing a new stabilizer it needs to be calibrated. If I remember correctly you have to turn the wheel lock to lock three times, the center it. This get the stabilizer to find neutral so to speak. Give it a try.

Mine pulled to the right after installing a new one last year. Someone mentioned this and mine has been fine since.

 

[Beachcomber72]

I did this and it drifts right regardless of the lane.

After two weeks of not driving your daily you’d be surprised at what symptoms you had from day one that now have manifested only due to mentally thinking about your vehicle being in service.

I know it sounds odd. But I’d more tend to believe either front tire is slightly low or your “Re-feeling” road crown, that once again you got un-adjusted to.

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