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[cmb396]

We use the same sway bar link lengths for our 2" and 3" springs.
Rear are adjustable from 10-7/16" to 11-3/8".
Front are not out yet but will be about 1.5" shorter than the rears.

Thank you! My rears are fixed 10.25”, eyelet to eyelet, fronts are only 6.5” tho. New fronts would def be in store I’m guessing?

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[AllJumpStyle]

Thank you! My rears are fixed 10.25”, eyelet to eyelet, fronts are only 6.5” tho. New fronts would def be in store I’m guessing?

No problem. Our front lengths are assuming using our front sway bar relocation brackets as well, so keep that in mind. These lengths will allow you to use the longest shocks that will work with our coil springs. If you are running shorter shocks, the sway bar link lengths won't be as critical.

 

[cmb396]

No problem. Our front lengths are assuming using our front sway bar relocation brackets as well, so keep that in mind. These lengths will allow you to use the longest shocks that will work with our coil springs. If you are running shorter shocks, the sway bar link lengths won't be as critical.

I have the Falcon 3.3 for 2.5-4.5” lift. Along with a front adj trac bar fyi

 

[RubiRob]

They're about 10% different in spring rate. You may be able to tell. I am pretty sure ours have a longer free length, so can take advantage of longer travel shocks. We also include our own lower isolator, so no spring bow.

You guys have custom tuned fox shocks coming soon for these springs?

 

[AllJumpStyle]

You guys have custom tuned fox shocks coming soon for these springs?

We do have custom tuned shocks coming. I can't divulge who is making them for us yet.

 

[jdhunt0]

I have been leaning toward the Dynatrac lift, anyone know their spring rates?

However, Synergy's lift is interesting too. I have a Sport and want to install the highline fenders and run 35s. Looking for the smallest, best riding spring lift.

 

[RubiRob]

I have been leaning toward the Dynatrac lift, anyone know their spring rates?

However, Synergy's lift is interesting too. I have a Sport and want to install the highline fenders and run 35s. Looking for the smallest, best riding spring lift.

I asked dynatrac specifically and they gave me a whole bunch of sales points, but left out what the rates were. Evo said they wouldn't give me that info.

 

[cmb396]

I asked dynatrac specifically and they gave me a whole bunch of sales points, but left out what the rates were. Evo said they wouldn't give me that info.

WTH is the big secret?!? I’d walk away from any aftermarket vendor that wouldn’t give me specific specs on equip I am entertaining running!

 

[RubiRob]

WTH is the big secret?!? I’d walk away from any aftermarket vendor that wouldn’t give me specific specs on equip I am entertaining running!

Not sure, they're all good at the end of the day and I would think that getting the right shock is just as important as that spring rate you're getting.

 

[TxJeepers]

Not sure, they're all good at the end of the day and I would think that getting the right shock is just as important as that spring rate you're getting.

Yes, very important and remember the vendor tuned shocks are tuned to what they feel is best and is subjective. But, that said, if they have an adjustable tuned shock for their spring, go for that. That way if you don’t agree with what they came up with you can make some slight adjustments to make the ride more to your liking.

 

[TxJeepers]

We do have custom tuned shocks coming. I can't divulge who is making them for us yet.

Are you close? Also, is the front track bar coming soon, as in September?

 

[TxJeepers]

I asked dynatrac specifically and they gave me a whole bunch of sales points, but left out what the rates were. Evo said they wouldn't give me that info.

I ran EVO springs on a JK and were my favorite. They are on the soft side of spring rates. Need to team them up with a stiffer or adjustable shock.

 

[TxJeepers]

Got it. Averaging the numbers for multi-rate springs is not correct. The spring's ride rate, the rate that actually matters while you're driving, is the primary rate and for your intents and purposes, is what I would recommend using. The initial rate is softer and allows us to get a longer free length, but this rate is not what is being used while driving.

This sounds like what Metalcloak refers to as dual rate. I think that’s just their marketing machine. But for clarity, these are not progressive? Another way of describing it is ya’ll took a short soft rate linear spring and attached it on top of a longer slighter higher rate than stock linear spring. It’s just one spring with some fancy manufacturing but is that close?

 

[AllJumpStyle]

This sounds like what Metalcloak refers to as dual rate. I think that’s just their marketing machine. But for clarity, these are not progressive? Another way of describing it is ya’ll took a short soft rate linear spring and attached it on top of a longer slighter higher rate than stock linear spring. It’s just one spring with some fancy manufacturing but is that close?

I don't believe anyone is making progressive rate springs. There are ways to do it, but it isn't really desirable as your shocks are not able to compensate for a constantly changing spring rate. You could have a progressive spring rate, but it won't really be improving anything.

Jeeps need long coil springs to get a lot of wheel travel which is what makes them more capable off road. You want to keep the tires attached to the ground to get traction and you need the spring to be pushing them into the ground through all of your wheel travel. A linear coil spring would be fine if you could get a lot of travel out of it, retain a reasonable block height, and get your desired lift height. Unfortunately, you can't (Not with all the other constraints on a production vehicle like this). You get a long coil spring, reasonable block height, and your target lift height by taking your linear spring, making it a little shorter, then adding a section of softer spring rate to the top of the spring. This softer spring rate is too soft for primary use (Will generally be collapsed at ride height), but makes the spring longer and is sufficient to keep the wheels pushed into the ground when articulating off road. With the primary spring rate section and softer spring rate section combined, you can get your reasonable block height, longer coil spring, and target lift height. This drastically over-simplifies it, but I think you get the idea. This is why we don't have coil springs falling out anymore or have to use coil spring retainers like back in the day.

 

[AllJumpStyle]

Yes, very important and remember the vendor tuned shocks are tuned to what they feel is best and is subjective. But, that said, if they have an adjustable tuned shock for their spring, go for that. That way if you don’t agree with what they came up with you can make some slight adjustments to make the ride more to your liking.

I agree, tuned shocks are subjective, but I think a lot of it comes down to experience and what the goal is. For example, I'm sure Falcon achieved their goal when they released their shocks, but not everyone has been happy with them. They sacrificed some comfort for ride stability. Fox went a slightly different direction with their Fox IFP's and they are comfortable but lack some control.

My only comment on "clicker" shocks is they use flow restrictors to change the damping characteristics (The Fox DSC's use pre-loaded shims as well). Usually, these are very narrow bands of adjustment and while they will make the shock feel different, they are only adjusting a single aspect of the shock's performance, usually high-speed compression, when some of the most significant improvements can be found in adjusting rebound, low-speed compression, and the mid-speed stack.

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