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Its not the engine
Its the way the cooling system is set up
One is properly cooled like the 7.3L and one is not like the 3.6
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Its not the engine
Its the way the cooling system is set up
One is properly cooled like the 7.3L and one is not like the 3.6
The 7.3 is a lower compression, lower RPM engine in a completely different vehicle. Not all gas engines are designed to operate at the same temperature and to say that they should is just ridiculous.

The number of threads here about non problems like 230 degree coolant is going to obscure the actual problems recorded here for years to come.
 

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The 7.3 is a lower compression, lower RPM engine in a completely different vehicle. Not all gas engines are designed to operate at the same temperature and to say that they should is just ridiculous.

The number of threads here about non problems like 230 degree coolant is going to obscure the actual problems recorded here for years to come.
Maybe you're fine with an engine running at 230 degrees baking the hell out of all the plastic components packed around it. I think practically burning my hand touching the inside edges of the fender is rather ridiculous.
"Non-problem" IYO.
We can agree to disagree. ?

Remember, this is a forum where members can come together to discuss and compare modification ideas..... like for example, a company that makes a fan controller that alters your electric fan strategy.

If you don't agree with the conversation, you can choose simply to not participate. There are many topics on this board.
 
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Maybe you're fine with an engine running at 230 degrees baking the hell out of all the plastic components packed around it. I think practically burning my hand touching the inside edges of the fender is rather ridiculous.
"Non-problem" IYO.
We can agree to disagree. ?

Remember, this is a forum where members can come together to discuss and compare modification ideas..... like for example, a company that makes a fan controller that alters your electric fan strategy.

If you don't agree with the conversation, you can choose simply to not participate. There are many topics on this board.
There are actually very few topics on this board, there are many threads and it is the same stuff over and over. Misinformation about operating temperature is one of the most common. Screeching about deleting the aux battery had its time as well. If you people would just turn your A/C on your engine temp would rest perfectly at 195.

This isn't some new experimental technology. The reason the temp gauge sits on the middle or slightly lower and never moves even on a 20-30 degree swing is to keep people from pestering service centers about overheating that isn't happening.
 

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230 degrees is on the lower end of whats been happening with the jeeps 3.6 / 2.0 / 3.0
My 3.6 hit 235 last summer on a mild up hill clime and would have continued to clime if I did not hit the top of the hill
I have read people having hit 240 and above and going into limp mode
This is very pore designing on the part of the jeep engineers
With the fan controller I have solved the problem that the jeep engineers did not
Now what we need is to have someone Like Jon at RPM Extreme build some that will work on the 2.0/3.0 / 3.6 etongue
From what I have seen they all use the same radiator fan with the 3rd small wire that controls speed via the ECM
So it is possible to take control of fan speed and temperature at which the fan turns on
After installing the RPM fan controller I can see that it may be possible to hook up a device like this

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/...YZR8Z3ROoFXx_NIORjZYSwhvc1qHeijAaAiaVEALw_wcB

Installing the 1.5 resister tricks the ECM
The small wire that goes to the fan would be hooked up to the Derale PWM Adjustable Fan Controller

This may work
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Jeep Wrangler JL Overheating issues 2023 JL IMG_1835
 

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230 degrees is on the lower end of whats been happening with the jeeps 3.6 / 2.0 / 3.0
My 3.6 hit 235 last summer on a mild up hill clime and would have continued to clime if I did not hit the top of the hill
I have read people having hit 240 and above and going into limp mode
This is very pore designing on the part of the jeep engineers
With the fan controller I have solved the problem that the jeep engineers did not
Now what we need is to have someone Like Jon at RPM Extreme build some that will work on the 2.0/3.0 / 3.6 etongue
From what I have seen they all use the same radiator fan with the 3rd small wire that controls speed via the ECM
So it is possible to take control of fan speed and temperature at which the fan turns on
After installing the RPM fan controller I can see that it may be possible to hook up a device like this

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/...YZR8Z3ROoFXx_NIORjZYSwhvc1qHeijAaAiaVEALw_wcB

Installing the 1.5 resister tricks the ECM
The small wire that goes to the fan would be hooked up to the Derale PWM Adjustable Fan Controller

This may work
See picture

IMG_1835.webp

You have not solved any problem other than your own desire to have more control over the cooling fan. The fan would come on at high speed at the temperatures you are calling “overheating” and lower the temp back down. At highway speed, the fan is hardly doing anything at all.
 

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Wow, a completely different engine performs differently, amazing.
A quite similar platform (engine wise) is my work van. 2017 caravan with 211,7XX miles on it. 3.6 6AT. Never runs over 201*, no matter the ambient temp or how hard I’m driving it regardless of terrain, mountains, sea level, etc..
 

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I have already proved through extensive testing that driving down the road 60 mph that there is very little air passing through the radiator core
You can do what you want. I am very happy with my improvements to the cooling system and am no longer pushing 240 degrees coolant temps and high oil temps
I am done with this conversation
 

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There are actually very few topics on this board, there are many threads and it is the same stuff over and over. Misinformation about operating temperature is one of the most common. Screeching about deleting the aux battery had its time as well. If you people would just turn your A/C on your engine temp would rest perfectly at 195.

This isn't some new experimental technology. The reason the temp gauge sits on the middle or slightly lower and never moves even on a 20-30 degree swing is to keep people from pestering service centers about overheating that isn't happening.
I hear what you're saying, and I respect your posts throughout this forum. Truly a lot of wise advice.
These higher temps are due to some degree, to emissions constraints, and I've also read some information describing some of the cooling (packaging) challenges that the engineers were faced with concerning the JL & JT.
While these temps aren't going to necessarily destroy the engine, there really isn't anything wrong with trying to lower them, right?
I mean as enthusiasts, these are things we like to try.
It doesn't help that the engine compartments of these vehicles are just completely jam packed with very little open space.... but that's a different discussion ? ?
 

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I hear what you're saying, and I respect your posts throughout this forum. Truly a lot of wise advice.
These higher temps are due to some degree, to emissions constraints, and I've also read some information describing some of the cooling (packaging) challenges that the engineers were faced with concerning the JL & JT.
While these temps aren't going to necessarily destroy the engine, there really isn't anything wrong with trying to lower them, right?
I mean as enthusiasts, these are things we like to try.
It doesn't help that the engine compartments of these vehicles are just completely jam packed with very little open space.... but that's a different discussion ? ?
Lower operating temp means worse fuel economy, poorer heater/defroster performance, messing with the thermostat means potential check engine light and disabling of A/C system, aftermarket fan controllers are an additional failure point that nets you no real benefit either the exception of severe off roading in summer conditions.

If you want your fan to run all you need to do is turn on the A/C.
 

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If only we could get David Tracy's opinion, since he helped design the JL cooling system...

For those who don't know of him - https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-tracy-2103a538
It's always insightful to have a designer's perspective. Keep in mind that engineers are like artists, they are protective of their designs. I worked in the Airworthiness office of a large aircraft company for over 20 years and part of my job was to get engineers to fix things that didn't work out as planned. They are people and people can't always see all possible failure scenarios. A failure modes and effects analysis is only as good as the author's imagination and understanding of his system and it's environment. It's never 'one and done' with cars, airplanes, or Jeeps.
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