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Had a club event over the weekend. My favorite event, but this year it was ruined.

This event is in the snowy north; the first event in 6 months. So there’s 2-3 feet of snow, then ice, then sand or mud. Depending on temps it may be super slick or very greasy. I love it because it’s a balance of technical (off camber on ice driving between trees) and finding the balance of power in 4-lo or wheel speed in 4-hi

it was ruined for 3 main reasons all of which caused massive hour long trail delays:

1) noobs: I was once a noob. we want new people in this sport! If you are a beginner to the scene then please join a club. You need someone to help guide you on driving skills, lines, and to help with recoveries. Your club would tell you that your pizza cutter tires are not cut out for this event. They would organize your group so that you didn’t have experience levels in descending order—the least experienced driver should not be struggling at the end of the pack. You have to have an experienced tail gunner. This goes into #2

2) bad clubs; if you aren’t supporting less experienced members then you’re a crappy Jeep club. If you’re too busy taking drone videos or using selfie sticks then pull over and let people drive past until you get your issues figured out. I know it’s going to be a bad day if I see someone practicing their drone flying in the staging lot or see someone’s YouTube channel listed on their Jeep.

3) getting stuck. I spent 3 hours parked on trails because people got stuck and had no idea what to do. Anyone going off-road should be watching videos on self recovery and have an idea of what recovery gear they should have. Getting stuck is fine! Know what you need to do and do it. For example—in one situation after waiting in line for a half hour I walked 1/2 mile to see what the problem was. Two people broke down and no one knew what to do. Several of us had to tell the people what to do with the recovery gear they had

In summary;

-get experience from those that have it
-know what recovery equipment you should have
-know what your vehicle and driver are capable of doing
-have radios to communicate problems
-if you can’t afford a winch then bring a shovel and traction boards (or do all the above)
-if someone breaks down/gets stuck communication to others is key to getting going again.
-don’t be a YouTube jerk while people are waiting behind you
-if you plan to cut trail have a capable rig, recovery gear and bring a damn chainsaw!
-if you’re a noob join a club.
Make sure that club helps you

Thanks. Needed to get that off my chest.
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Man, sorry to hear that. Good advice, though, for those of us like me who have yet to do a club/group wheel...
 

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Best way to improve your local club is to get involved. Run for office or join a committee. I was an officer in a local 4x4 club for several years. It was a time sink but I believed in the clubs mission. Most members of a club are there to have a good time. But without people willing to stand up and guide the direction, the club won't last long.
 

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Crabbiness aside (we all get that way) it sounds like missed opportunities to help the noobs learn more about their vehicles, the terrain, and how to handle inclement weather situations. You could also help the organizers prepare for the next club event...or offer to help organize and run it!
 

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Sounds like you should start your own club and make your own rules, and that's not me being a smartass.

Still, I'd rather be parked in my Jeep in the great outdoors for 3 hours vs parked on my couch watching wheel of fortune.
 

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We never have that problem. My wife and I are 90% solo, 10% with one or two others max. We do carry allot of tools, equipment and firearms but it's worth it to us.

I will say the 2016 Jeep Jamboree was quite fun. May do that again sometime, nice folks.

Tried a Jeep club once, for two monthly meets, we looked at each other and said,,, NOT.

To each his own, live and let live.
 

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im crabby and hate stupid people
The older I get the less tolerant I am of stupid people.

I keep my mouth shut mostly here because I'm not experienced. But on my favorite gun board I'm merciless.

Although the theme seems to be the same. People want to buy hardware when they should really be gaining experience and expertise. They think the hardware will make them good. It won't.
 

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30 years of wheeling, 0 clubs. Mostly just the wife and the dogs. Sometimes 2-3 other rigs. Experience is important, but we only get experience by getting stuck and/or breaking on the trails. That being said, unless it's impossible to safely move the vehicle, I'll winch it out of the way and go on about my repair while everyone else is free to wheel on. Even worse than the stuck or broken in the way are the idiots who just park in the trail. If there isn't room to pull over, wheel on until there is.
 

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30 years of wheeling, 0 clubs. Mostly just the wife and the dogs. Sometimes 2-3 other rigs. Experience is important, but we only get experience by getting stuck and/or breaking on the trails. That being said, unless it's impossible to safely move the vehicle, I'll winch it out of the way and go on about my repair while everyone else is free to wheel on. Even worse than the stuck or broken in the way are the idiots who just park in the trail. If there isn't room to pull over, wheel on until there is.
And the scenarios where folks do not follow etiquette. You are climbing a cliff side single-track trail and some fool coming down out of the blind curve and just barrels ahead. They look like a deer in the headlights wondering why you are a bit pissed setting with 0 room to pass.

I've had to back DOWN or hug a very sketchy edge while they white knuckle past on the wall side. I believe Hurricane Pass comes to mind or wherever. It is also nice to raise fingers to show there is a jeep train behind you as well..... Not many do that either.
 

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The trick to large Jeep events is to avoid large Jeep events altogether and go wheeling in a small group. 2-4 rigs. You'll get to actually enjoy the trails on your own time and experience nature without being jammed behind 200 rigs all day.

That's just me though.
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